Dogs on Nature Reserves (1 Viewer)

[George London]

People used to go to "dog obedience classes" we took our first dog,because we didn't know too much about them,being the first family dog we had.From then on,every dog we had,we knew how to control.
Nowadays,poor little camilla aged 5 wants a puppy,the family don't really want one but they give in to stop camilla,aged 5 from being picked on at school.
After a few months,poor little camilla comes home from school,her best friend Imogen,aged 6 has a guinea pig.Determined not to let his little princess be the laughing stock at saint Christopher Columbus modern infant school in leafy Berkshire,he buys her a guinea pig,meaning poor little camilla couldn't give two hoots about the puppy,which they obviously named Tobius.Now the father or mother,Mrs & Mrs Weatherby Sinclair have to walk the dog every day but in truthfulness couldn't really give two hoots about the dog,hence they don't get it trained and don't really know when it's playing or being a nuisance.I think you will find that this is indeed the problem,Poor little Camilla didn't actually want a dog,she wanted a cute little puppy and when that puppy is no more its cast aside for someone else who doesn't want to look after it,tossers

Sniper, what a hilariously ridiculous generalisation and attack on Princess Camilla and the Weatherby Sinclairs!:-O

Are you joking or genuinely trying to make a serious point?! Doesn't entirely fit in with some of your other posts on the Essex dog walkers... Husbands coming round to beat you up, dodgy housing estates, gypsies, run down areas having more idiots than wealthier areas!

Come on Sniper make your mind up otherwise you can't take any of it seriously

 

[chris butterworth]

I think one of the points Sniper was making is that it isn't just 'council estates' ( of which there are very few ), "pit-bull owners", etc that are irresponsible. It isn't a class thing, it's an arrogance thing. "Who do you think you are, telling me what I can and can't do?" pervades all of society.

Chris

 

[MSA]

Just back from a dog walk on my local Nature Reserve (Stanpit) where we found a Glaucous Gull! The dogs resisted the temptation to rip it to shreds, and couldn't even manage to leave a celebratory pile of shite for the arriving local birders to step in. Call themselves dogs? I think I'll have to replace them....

 

[George London]

I think one of the points Sniper was making is that it isn't just 'council estates' ( of which there are very few ), "pit-bull owners", etc that are irresponsible. It isn't a class thing, it's an arrogance thing. "Who do you think you are, telling me what I can and can't do?" pervades all of society.

Chris

I agree with you Chris that it isn't a class thing, which is precisely why i raised it.

It's no good 'singling out' lower class folk, and then later on 'singling out' upper class! It doesn't add to the debate... In fact, it takes away from the debate because it's likely to make people think there are completely irrelevant factors informing people's views. My question to you is, therefore, why bring it up at all?

 

[George London]

Just back from a dog walk on my local Nature Reserve (Stanpit) where we found a Glaucous Gull! The dogs resisted the temptation to rip it to shreds, and couldn't even manage to leave a celebratory pile of shite for the arriving local birders to step in. Call themselves dogs? I think I'll have to replace them....

A dog once peed on my leg when I was taking photos... Didn't realise until I felt that warm feeling (similar to peeing in your wet suit - not familiar? Oops!). Couldn't be too annoyed, in fact I gave the little bugger quite a lot of credit for his brazen and dedicated marking!:-O

 

[The sniper]

Yes,it was sort of the point but I was more just trying to highlight that many dogs are just accessories for kids,whatever background but there are problems with owners from all backgrounds or basically,there are tossers with no money and tossers with money!!!

My stance on dogs is this,I like dogs,sort of,but not as much as I used to when I owned one,Dennis has been departed for some 6 years now and we have not felt the need to replace him,mainly because my parents have just turned pensioners and I have now had it on my toes and am living with my latest buxom wench and our 3 year old daughter,who now wants a dog but she is 3,yes 3 and will not walk it,feed it or clean its poo up and nor will I,so she will not be getting a dog.
What I hate is irresponsible owners,which there are many but not as many as some would make out on here.I would say probably 80% are responsible,20% are not,but the 20% you notice because they do things to make us notice,turn up at places we frequent etc etc.Saying that,20% is a lot,but out of those I would guess at least half fall into the bracket of more just annoying,ie not being in total control or mildly irritating while the rest let their dog poo anywhere,don't clean it up and watch as it licks and bounds all over my fckng scope and lense.These people should be hung/drawn and quartered and if at all possible castrated just on the off chance of them actually being able to breed any more anti social parasites of the society to which I live who would then go on to irritate me further with their blatant disregard for my enjoyment of the open countryside.



And breath........

 

[George London]

Yes,it was sort of the point but I was more just trying to highlight that many dogs are just accessories for kids,whatever background but there are problems with owners from all backgrounds or basically,there are tossers with no money and tossers with money!!!

My stance on dogs is this,I like dogs,sort of,but not as much as I used to when I owned one,Dennis has been departed for some 6 years now and we have not felt the need to replace him,mainly because my parents have just turned pensioners and I have now had it on my toes and am living with my latest buxom wench and our 3 year old daughter,who now wants a dog but she is 3,yes 3 and will not walk it,feed it or clean its poo up and nor will I,so she will not be getting a dog.
What I hate is irresponsible owners,which there are many but not as many as some would make out on here.I would say probably 80% are responsible,20% are not,but the 20% you notice because they do things to make us notice,turn up at places we frequent etc etc.Saying that,20% is a lot,but out of those I would guess at least half fall into the bracket of more just annoying,ie not being in total control or mildly irritating while the rest let their dog poo anywhere,don't clean it up and watch as it licks and bounds all over my fckng scope and lense.These people should be hung/drawn and quartered and if at all possible castrated just on the off chance of them actually being able to breed any more anti social parasites of the society to which I live who would then go on to irritate me further with their blatant disregard for my enjoyment of the open countryside.



And breath........

I can't comment on 20%/80%... But all the rest of what you say, including kids' accessories: :clap::clap:

 

[MSA]

Yes,it was sort of the point but I was more just trying to highlight that many dogs are just accessories for kids,whatever background but there are problems with owners from all backgrounds or basically,there are tossers with no money and tossers with money!!!

My stance on dogs is this,I like dogs,sort of,but not as much as I used to when I owned one,Dennis has been departed for some 6 years now and we have not felt the need to replace him,mainly because my parents have just turned pensioners and I have now had it on my toes and am living with my latest buxom wench and our 3 year old daughter,who now wants a dog but she is 3,yes 3 and will not walk it,feed it or clean its poo up and nor will I,so she will not be getting a dog.
What I hate is irresponsible owners,which there are many but not as many as some would make out on here.I would say probably 80% are responsible,20% are not,but the 20% you notice because they do things to make us notice,turn up at places we frequent etc etc.Saying that,20% is a lot,but out of those I would guess at least half fall into the bracket of more just annoying,ie not being in total control or mildly irritating while the rest let their dog poo anywhere,don't clean it up and watch as it licks and bounds all over my fckng scope and lense.These people should be hung/drawn and quartered and if at all possible castrated just on the off chance of them actually being able to breed any more anti social parasites of the society to which I live who would then go on to irritate me further with their blatant disregard for my enjoyment of the open countryside.



And breath........

Funnily enough, one of my dogs will be having puppies in a couple of weeks' time - wanna buy one? Perfect gift for the kid

 

[The sniper]

Think I better pass after my rant.
Do you sell goldfish?

 

[MSA]

Think I better pass after my rant.
Do you sell goldfish?

No, but that reminds me of childhood nagging - I "had to have" a goldfish when I was a kid; not just any goldfish, but for some reason Chivers Jelly was giving them away if you sent off enough wrappers, so we ended up with loads of loose jelly blocks (about 18 packets, if memory serves)!

 

[John Cantelo]

Sorry, but in my view a dog isn't under proper control at 200 yards particularly if there is a risk to wildlife and/or someone else's enjoyment of the countryside. If the wind blowing in the wrong direction many dogs simply will not hear instructions. It's also much harder for the owner to be fully aware of what their dog is doing at such range. Even if, which I doubt, a fraction of dogs could be fully controlled and trusted at such a range, then that would still leave many likely to misbehave in a position where the owner can do nothing whatsoever about it. I would hesitate to suggest what range is reasonable, but it would be a lot less than 200 yards. I'd also suggest that one-dog-per-person wouldn't be a bad idea either. Whilst the owner is fussing over Fido, then Rover has plenty of time to mess on the path or whatever.

 

[The sniper]

Agree re one dog per person,it is simply impossible to control more than one dog unless only one of the "flock" has legs

 

[dantheman]

It is pretty easy to get pee'd off with these dogs ...

Only this afternoon I was quietly sat down scoping a couple of divers when suddenly a wet salty dog appeared between my legs and scope legs, paws on me and everything. There were a fair few people out with their dogs, but surely it isn't my responsibility to have to watch out for misbehaving dogs?

The owner noticed his dog, and called across 'Sorry, he's still a bit young and foolish'. The best I could come up with on the spur of the moment was 'They usually are'. I probably should have admonished him on keeping his dog under better control or touch-kicked his beloved into the surf, but it's hard to react appropriately on the spur of the moment.

Not a nature reserve, but certainly spoiling my quiet enjoyment of the countryside. And pretty sure there'd be more wildlife to enjoy (eg tideline waders) with less dogs.

 

[Deseo]

Just been down to the reserve. I counted 25 chewed up pop bottles in a three quarter of a mile stretch of river bank.

 

[The sniper]

why are the bottles there though,humans have obviously left them there so we as a race are just as bad,if not worse

 

[chris butterworth]

Only this afternoon I was quietly sat down scoping a couple of divers when suddenly a wet salty dog appeared between my legs....

I'm not going to mention the dubious joys of living in Cornwall. Honest.

Chris

 

[Deseo]

why are the bottles there though,humans have obviously left them there so we as a race are just as bad,if not worse

All the crap on the planet can be traced back to humans mate. The dogs are thrown the bottles by their idiot owners, the dogs then play with it till it gets bored and then leaves it on the lane. Next day they bring it a new bottle and it happens again. I had video evidence of a bloke who did this on a daily basis and when confronted he denied it all. Thoughtless, irresponsible, selfish people.

 

[The sniper]

If you have video evdience then go to the police as its littering

 

[Farnboro John]

Sorry, but in my view a dog isn't under proper control at 200 yards particularly if there is a risk to wildlife and/or someone else's enjoyment of the countryside. If the wind blowing in the wrong direction many dogs simply will not hear instructions. It's also much harder for the owner to be fully aware of what their dog is doing at such range. Even if, which I doubt, a fraction of dogs could be fully controlled and trusted at such a range, then that would still leave many likely to misbehave in a position where the owner can do nothing whatsoever about it. I would hesitate to suggest what range is reasonable, but it would be a lot less than 200 yards. I'd also suggest that one-dog-per-person wouldn't be a bad idea either. Whilst the owner is fussing over Fido, then Rover has plenty of time to mess on the path or whatever.

Except in very open areas I rather agree with you. Only one of my dogs would have been happy that far away from me anyway, and he was a rescue dog who hadn't been trained by his previous owners. He was a hooligan to the day of his death from suspected heart disease, but what a character. All the others would always come back of their own accord if they got more than about 50 yards away.

I also agree one dog is enough (off the lead anyway) especially if you are going to interact with it to maintain control and continue its education.

Cheers

John

 

[Farnboro John]

Agree re one dog per person,it is simply impossible to control more than one dog unless only one of the "flock" has legs

Are you advocating the amputation of dogs' legs or dog-walkers' legs?

John