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Zeiss Terra ED 8x42 is Now In Stock (1 Viewer)

I don't know if this is newsworthy or not. I'll be interested to see a review for sure.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...08/Zeiss_Terra_ED_8x42_is_Now_In_#Post7776208

Definitely newsworthy since most other stores are not yet stocking the Terra EDs. I'm somewhat interested and would like to be supportive of Zeiss' effort to make a bin for the common man's wallet.

However, given how thin this common man's wallet is after a recent bin purchase, I'm waiting for some reviews before I pluck down three big ones. So far, only one member has had eyes on them.

Brock
 
Hopefully a step up from my ED2 8X43. At this price point maybe the limited FOV was a necessity.



Definitely newsworthy since most other stores are not yet stocking the Terra EDs. I'm somewhat interested and would like to be supportive of Zeiss' effort to make a bin for the common man's wallet.

However, given how thin this common man's wallet is after a recent bin purchase, I'm waiting for some reviews before I pluck down three big ones. So far, only one member has had eyes on them.

Brock
 
However, given how thin this common man's wallet is after a recent bin purchase, I'm waiting for some reviews before I pluck down three big ones. So far, only one member has had eyes on them.

Brock

Not true. I had a chance to try them out as well.

;)

I would buy them...if I had the money right now.

;)
 
Light transmission, resolution-sharpness, CA control, lack of the excessive ED series pincushion, or anything else that makes for a better image. If Zeiss puts their name on a budget binocular, you would think it should be a bar raiser if they want to maintain the integrity of the brand.


Define "refined".
 
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Thank you for clarifying.

I wish I could provide a direct comparison but I did not have an ED2 with me at the time of the observation.
 
Light transmission, resolution-sharpness, CA control, lack of the excessive ED series pincushion, or anything else that makes for a better image. If Zeiss puts their name on a budget binocular, you would think it should be a bar raiser if they want to maintain the integrity of the brand.

Bruce, this was exactly the point being made, by those (not necessarily the Zeisslitiststi) with some knowledge of brand equity .....

I agree. Any 'merely' perfunctory bins (as by all reports so far, they are), that don't raise the bar, will dilute the brand.

A point completely irrelevant to the Volksbin crowd (although chief proponent Dr Ferdinand Brockler, now seems to baulk at lashing out to " pluck down three big ones", after perhaps blowing the budget on 'chicken legs'. Seemingly forgetting his own advice ..... "Fünf Mark die Woche, müssen Sie beiseite legen, wenn Sie durch Ihre eigene Fernglas aussehen soll") |^|


Chosun :gh:
 
Your musings are as usual, seasoned with a good dose of salt and pepper. My statements in comparison are without flavor. :-O


Bruce, this was exactly the point being made, by those (not necessarily the Zeisslitiststi) with some knowledge of brand equity .....

I agree. Any 'merely' perfunctory bins (as by all reports so far, they are), that don't raise the bar, will dilute the brand.

A point completely irrelevant to the Volksbin crowd (although chief proponent Dr Ferdinand Brockler, now seems to baulk at lashing out to " pluck down three big ones", after perhaps blowing the budget on 'chicken legs'. Seemingly forgetting his own advice ..... "Fünf Mark die Woche, müssen Sie beiseite legen, wenn Sie durch Ihre eigene Fernglas aussehen soll") |^|


Chosun :gh:
 
Bruce, this was exactly the point being made, by those (not necessarily the Zeisslitiststi) with some knowledge of brand equity .....

I agree. Any 'merely' perfunctory bins (as by all reports so far, they are), that don't raise the bar, will dilute the brand.

A point completely irrelevant to the Volksbin crowd (although chief proponent Dr Ferdinand Brockler, now seems to baulk at lashing out to " pluck down three big ones", after perhaps blowing the budget on 'chicken legs'. Seemingly forgetting his own advice ..... "Fünf Mark die Woche, müssen Sie beiseite legen, wenn Sie durch Ihre eigene Fernglas aussehen soll") |^|


Chosun :gh:

No, Frozen Juanita, I bought a NIB black body Nikon 8x30 EII. Cost as much as my NIB 8x32 550xxx SE.

After birding with the EWA BB EII, I think the view through any roof under $2K is likely to be a disappointment, but in the winter when the focusers on my porros turn into icicles, an inexpensive roof will do just fine for when I occasionally go birding in the snow, as long as the focuser turns smoothly.

It was in the high 80s (*F) during the past week, so I have plenty time to decide on which roof to buy. If the quality of the Terra ED is the same or better than the competition at the same price point, as the one member who actually reviewed them said, I would buy the Terra ED to support the company's noble experiment.

Zeiss is obviously not worried about "diluting the brand," not sure why you are so worried about it yourself, unless you own Zeiss stock?

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Zeiss is obviously not worried about "diluting the brand,"

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

While the Terras seem to hit the stores in the US, in Europe and elsewhere there hasnn't even been a word about Terras on Zeiss websites or anywhere else. Zeiss will not sell them here.

So why this? I can only imagine this differenciated strategy being related to differences of the markets or consumers attitudes. Perhaps Zeiss marketeers concluded that European consumers are more sensitive to the "brand dilution" than US consumers, or that US consumers are less willing to spend outrageous sums on binoculars than Europeans ...
 
I'll be looking forward to your review when you get a pair. |:D|

I will see what I can do. It may be a few weeks/month before that happens though. In the mean time, Cesear's review is pretty thorough. I enjoyed reading his comments.
 
There are a few views to look at this from....from a marketing point of view low price bino's have a greater share (%) of the market, so...it helps the bottom line of any company to have cheaper bino's.

From a 'brand' point of view, I would think the cheaper bino's hurt any company as people pick up a cheap pair of bino's and think that all of them are the same. They rarely move from the cheap pair into Alphas, so they know of no different.

Swaro for one, makes no budget bino...so my thinking is...why does Zeiss?
 
No, Frozen Juanita, I bought a NIB black body Nikon 8x30 EII. Cost as much as my NIB 8x32 550xxx SE.

After birding with the EWA BB EII, I think the view through any roof under $2K is likely to be a disappointment, but in the winter when the focusers on my porros turn into icicles, an inexpensive roof will do just fine for when I occasionally go birding in the snow, as long as the focuser turns smoothly.

It was in the high 80s (*F) during the past week, so I have plenty time to decide on which roof to buy. If the quality of the Terra ED is the same or better than the competition at the same price point, as the one member who actually reviewed them said, I would buy the Terra ED to support the company's noble experiment.

Zeiss is obviously not worried about "diluting the brand," not sure why you are so worried about it yourself, unless you own Zeiss stock?

<B> :cool:

Brock, you 'ol sly dog - you haven't been ignoring me after all! :king: you probably couldn't help yourself - just to see if you got a mention :smoke:

Read the European experience as per dalat ..... perhaps you'll be able to pick up a pair in the US with every "Happy Meal" ?!

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

While the Terras seem to hit the stores in the US, in Europe and elsewhere there hasnn't even been a word about Terras on Zeiss websites or anywhere else. Zeiss will not sell them here.

So why this? I can only imagine this differenciated strategy being related to differences of the markets or consumers attitudes. Perhaps Zeiss marketeers concluded that European consumers are more sensitive to the "brand dilution" than US consumers, or that US consumers are less willing to spend outrageous sums on binoculars than Europeans ...

There are a few views to look at this from....from a marketing point of view low price bino's have a greater share (%) of the market, so...it helps the bottom line of any company to have cheaper bino's.

From a 'brand' point of view, I would think the cheaper bino's hurt any company as people pick up a cheap pair of bino's and think that all of them are the same. They rarely move from the cheap pair into Alphas, so they know of no different.

Swaro for one, makes no budget bino...so my thinking is...why does Zeiss?

Imans, apart from Zeiss's stated aim of bringing the Zeiss experience to the masses (although I'm sure they had something a bit more premium in mind than the Volksbin!), the only reason for playing down this end of the field (with all it's attendant injury risks), is Nikon - with it's every bin for everyman strategy - particularly in the US (or perhaps mainly, or even only in the US). Margins, and Profitability at this Volume end of the market would be pretty thin with all the added overheads and headaches, unless we are all being taken for a mighty big ride - in which case there'll be plenty of room for the Chinese to manoeuvre.


Chosun :gh:
 
There are a few views to look at this from....from a marketing point of view low price bino's have a greater share (%) of the market, so...it helps the bottom line of any company to have cheaper bino's.

From a 'brand' point of view, I would think the cheaper bino's hurt any company as people pick up a cheap pair of bino's and think that all of them are the same. They rarely move from the cheap pair into Alphas, so they know of no different.

Swaro for one, makes no budget bino...so my thinking is...why does Zeiss?

Because their marketing department is smarter. ;)

The reviews of the CL line haven't exactly been stellar, and they cost $900, and that bin was marketed at giving buyers an "affordable" bin to "introduce [them] to the Swarovski family of optics.".

If I were a newbie and picked up a CL and didn't like it, I'd wonder if it would be worth paying more than twice as much for their top of the line model once my wallet was thicker. Even though the CL Is not "cheap" in the sense of being inexpensive or in the sense of being cheaply made, it has disappointed some birders who have tried it (and one who sang its praises until it was labeled "second tier" and then dropped it like a hot potato"-).

But AFAIK, the marketing idea of the CL introducing buyers to the "Swarovksi family of optics" never really happened, because most newebies can't afford or just new to the hobby wouldn't want to buy a $900 bin. Most of the buyers who bought the CLs on BF were already Swarovski bin owners who use the in in adjunct to their top model. If there were buyers new to the brand, it was more likely hunters.

Zeiss already has the CL segment covered by the Conquest HD line, and from the reviews, covered better than Swarovski, with both full sized and midsized models. And they used to make the inexpensive Diafun, so this price segment is not new territory. Getting it right this time, however, is the goal. Hence, Stephen Ingraham's remark about the Terra ED "is no Diafun"

As to selling cheaper bins tarnishing the brand...Nikon makes everything from cheap non-p coated roofs (Trailblazer) to the $200 Prostaff 7 to the $300 Monarch, the best selling all-purpose bin (at least in the US), to the $400 ED roof to compete with Zen Ray, Vortex and the like, a mid-tier $1,000+ Premier line, some of the best rated compacts, and the $2K+ EDG, which goes head to head with the alphas, and according to some reviewers is better than the competition.

I never head anyone say, oh, Nikon makes cheap bins so I'm not going to buy an EDG.

A "cheaper" bin is only really "cheap" in the negative sense if it's junk. If it's inexpensive, which I think is the operating word here with the Terra ED, but works well, it could actually have the opposite impact. A young birder, for example, who can't afford to buy an FL, HT or Conquest HD, will probably be able to afford a Zeiss Terra ED if he saves up his quarters in his pig's feet jar. If the Terra ED is well made and he likes it, that's going to get the name ZEISS in this head instead of Nikon or Bushnell or Vortex.

So when he gets a good job and is able to move up, he might buy a Zeiss Conquest HD, or if he gets a job in the shale gas industry, an FL or an HT.

I referred to the Terra ED as a "noble experiment," but it's also a way to get consumers hooked on a brand when their wallets are still thin. It's about building brand loyalty from the bottom up.

But some users may never be able to afford "the best" and may well be contented with the Terra ED and whatever else comes next from Zeiss at this price point, or as you so aptly put it in the vernacular: "They rarely move from the cheap pair into Alphas, so they know of no different."

However, as you mentioned, more people buy inexpensive bins than $2k+ bins, so there's potential for volume sales, and that helps Zeiss boost its bottom line, something its shareholders will appreciate.

The fact that Zeiss is already a well known name in optics adds to the Terra ED's appeal rather than detracts from it -- except for snobs who only buy "the best" and for those who are worried that their Zeiss stock might go down under. :gh:

Juanita and others have already given the pro and con arguments about why the Terra ED might either help or hurt the company shortly after the bin was announced, so much of this is re-fried boogie, but ultimately, the proof is in the who-pudding. :eat: B :)

Now that the Terra ED is becoming available, we can put our conjectures aside and watch how this thing actually plays out.

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Because their marketing department is smarter. ;)

The reviews of the CL line haven't exactly been stellar, and they cost $900, and that bin was marketed at giving buyers an "affordable" bin to "introduce [them] to the Swarovski family of optics.".

If I were a newbie and picked up a CL and didn't like it, I'd wonder if it would be worth paying more than twice as much for their top of the line model once my wallet was thicker. Even though the CL Is not "cheap" in the sense of being inexpensive or in the sense of being cheaply made, it has disappointed some birders who have tried it (and one who sang its praises until it was labeled "second tier" and then dropped it like a hot potato"-).

But that never happened, because most newebies can't afford or just new to the hobby wouldn't buy a $900 bin. Most of the people who bought the CLs on BF were already Swarovski bin owners who use the in in adjunct to their top model.

Zeiss already has the CL segment covered by the Conquest HD line, and from the reviews, covered better than Swarovski, with both full sized and midsized models.

Nikon makes everything from cheap non-p coated roofs (Trailblazer) to the $200 Prostaff 7 to the $300 Monarch, the best selling all-purpose bin (at least in the US), to the $400 ED roof to compete with Zen Ray, Vortex and the like, a mid-tier $1,000+ Premier line, some of the best rated compacts, and the $2K+ EDG, which goes head to head with the alphas, and according to some reviewers is better than the competition.

I never head anyone say, oh, Nikon makes cheap bins so I'm not going to buy an EDG.

A "cheaper" bin is only really "cheap" in the negative sense if it's junk. If it's inexpensive, which I think is the operating word here with the Terra ED, but works well, it could actually have the opposite impact. A young birder, for example, who can't afford to buy an FL, HT or Conquest HD, will probably be able to afford a Zeiss Terra ED if he saves up his quarters in his pig's feet jar. If the Terra ED is well made and he likes it, that's going to get the name ZEISS in this head instead of Nikon or Bushnell or Vortex.

So when he gets a good job and is able to move up, he might buy a Zeiss Conquest HD, or if he gets a job in the shale gas industry, an FL or an HT.

I referred to the Terra ED as a "noble experiment," but it's also a way to get consumers hooked on a brand when their wallets are still thin. It's also about building brand loyalty from the bottom up.

But some users may never be able to afford "the best" and may well be contented with the Terra ED and whatever else comes next from Zeiss at this price point, or as you so aptly put it in the vernacular: "They rarely move from the cheap pair into Alphas, so they know of no different."

But more people buy inexpensive bins than $2k+ bins, so there's potential for volume sales, and that helps Zeiss boost its bottom line, something its shareholders will appreciate. The fact that Zeiss is already a well known name in optics adds to the Terra ED's appeal rather than detracts from it except for snobs who only buy "the best" and for those who are worried that their Zeiss stock might go down under. :gh:

Juanita and I and others have already given the pro and con arguments about why the Terra ED (which, as Stephen Ingraham has said, "is no Diafun") might either help or hurt the company after the bin was announced, so much of this is re-fried boogie, but ultimately, the proof is in the who-pudding. :eat: B :)

Now that the Terra ED is becoming available, we can put our conjectures aside and watch how this thing actually plays out.

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Nicely put Brock.

I see no problem with an affordable Zeiss myself.

Porsche for example offer an "affordable" first tier sports car,and it works for that premier German manufacturer.

All it needs to succeed is to be a "Zeiss", unlike the "could do better" school report CL.
 
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