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    Climate denier recants

    This website, and its authors, are one of the main parties to the dispute detailed in 'the Hockey Stick Illusion', and I therefore continue to suggest that people read the book too. In fact, this thread is the one where Judith Curry appeared, hoping for a proper rebuttal to the points in the...
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    Climate denier recants

    I agree; I think the feedbacks question is more important, and there is scientific disagreement over that too. But the HSI is also about the scientific process, and how some pieces of evidence make into the literature, while others do not; and that is relevant to areas outside the hockey stick...
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    Climate denier recants

    P.S. I hope to do my disappearing act again soon, but in the spirit of reconciliation, to John Cantelo: I have enjoyed the vast majority of your posts over the years, you have contributed far more to BirdForum than I ever have or will, and so I am sorry if my initial choice of words has made you...
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    Climate denier recants

    Assuming this is the correct link: http://www.alastairmcintosh.com/articles/2010-montford-hockey-stick.htm I am familiar with some of the references, not all. Some look like ad hominem attacks, some appear to rehash points already dealt with in the book (like the points made in the body of...
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    Climate denier recants

    Problem with the link?
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    Climate denier recants

    MJB, not sure if Andrew is coming back, but this recent post at 'Bishop Hill' may answer your question regarding his attitude to 'death threats': http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/6/13/uea-death-threats-published.html
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    Climate denier recants

    No mention of 'the Hockey Stick Illusion' there, and I again remind readers of the endorsements of this book by the scientists I listed on the other thread.
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    Climate denier recants

    No, that's not what I meant at all and I'm sorry that you read it that way. Initially I wrote that paragraph without the word 'educated', then started worrying that I might make people who have no interest in maths spend £10 on a book which contains a fair bit of it. I'm a nice chap you see ;)...
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    Climate denier recants

    Apology accepted, but your rephrasing above is also inaccurate and insulting (but you don't need to make another apology ;)). Like "accept global warming" this is a very vague phrase which bears little resemblance to sceptic concerns. Again, I urge the educated readers of BF who are...
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    Climate denier recants

    John, yes, it was mildly insulting, compared to the use of terms like "denier" and "crackpot". And in this debate you need to be more careful about what you mean by "accept global warming". Do you mean "are certain that human CO2 emissions are causing catastrophic global warming"? That the...
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    Climate denier recants

    For those BFers who are less easily led, here are two professional climate scientists, plus one of the designated reviewers of one of Muller's recent papers, on the newspaper article which started this thread off. http://judithcurry.com/2012/07/30/observation-based-attribution/...
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    The government has finally seen through the wind-farm scam – but why did it take them

    And I have responded over there :-)
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    Climate Change Denial

    Actually, I think that coming onto an Internet forum and arguing for so long about the merits of a book you haven't even read is pretty foolhardy. When I wrote that you had no understanding of the issues, I wasn't referring to your understanding of statistics, but to your understanding of the...
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    The government has finally seen through the wind-farm scam – but why did it take them

    Hi John, I saw this thread yesterday and really feel I have to pick you up on a few things. Firstly, you wrote that: Where Mann is concerned, you really are putting too much trust in the enquiries. For those of us with a mathematical background, the problems with his work are very clearly...
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    Climate Change Denial

    fugl, in this discipline it's always worth looking for an opposing take on events. For example, here is (professional climate scientist) Roy Spencer's take on this 'scandal': http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/02/i-heart-heartland/ Incidentally. in that blog post Spencer refers to a debate he...
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    Climate Change Denial

    As I said in my original post on Alan's thread, it's easy to find rebuttals in this discipline, but it doesn't mean they are valid. For example, the first one you link to here is the one Judith Curry was taking issue with (see above). You too :-)
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    Climate Change Denial

    As Judith said to Gavin, read the book! It's fascinating stuff, even if you decide at the end that you don't agree with it. And truthfully Imaginos, to go back to an earlier question of yours "Why leave it there?" surely a valid answer to that is that we both have lives to live. I know I...
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    Climate Change Denial

    You obviously haven't read the book you have been criticising, as this is one of the 'hockey stick' papers that are dealt with in it. Wahl and Ammann 2007 is also dealt with, at length.
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    Climate Change Denial

    Portions thereof. His papers are analysed in great detail at 'Climate Audit' and in 'the Hockey Stick Illusion'. I agree with Judith Curry that the content did not properly address her points. In the response you quoted, for example, I certainly don't think the principal components analysis...
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    Climate Change Denial

    I don't think they are contradictory. Documented events are not the same thing as theories. Thanks for this link - I enjoyed reading it. It shows Judith Curry commenting at the 'RealClimate' blog, trying to get Gavin Schmidt to take seriously the issues raised in 'the Hockey Stick Illusion'...
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    Climate Change Denial

    Yes, that's another one, and one that is much discussed at the other blogs (and in the book "The Hockey Stick Illusion"). This is something which is increasingly being questioned, e.g. see Judith Curry quote above. The procedures by which the IPCC selects papers to cite, selects its authors...
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    Climate Change Denial

    For Pompadour444: apologies, here's the letter to which I was referring: http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/2/12/a-letter-to-paul-nurse.html By 'authorities' I was not referring to scientists working in the field of climate, as I thought was clear in the original context (but...
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    Climate Change Denial

    As I said, only the final chapter deals with 'Climategate', so I think the publishers must have added that word to the title to try to cash in on the publicity surrounding that event at the time. They're not small mistakes! I didn't claim that; I'm restricting myself to discussing the one...
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    Climate Change Denial

    The first 16 out of 17 chapters were written before the 'climategate' e-mails release, and so do not refer to the e-mails. They are all about the maths and McIntyre's own attempts to reproduce the hockey stick graph. Only the 17th chapter deals with the e-mails, it was added hurriedly just...
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    Climate Change Denial

    That's your characterisation of events, but let's leave it at that and allow everyone else to make their own minds up.
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