Semicollared Flycatcher? (1 Viewer)

kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 26, 2015

• #1

Shot today in my garden at Ankara, Turkey.
2nd wing-bar, white corners of tail and small primary base patch makes me think of Semicollared Flycatcher.
There was also a similarly plumaged Collared around (and they fought from time to time) but it had a large PB patch, white didn't go all the way on tail and it lacked the second wing-bar.
The weird thing is that this bird responded fairly well to the Collared Flycatcher "eehp" call, as did the other Collared. However it's response to "eehp" was a little different. I know the calls of two are similar so maybe it responded to tape thinking it was a Semi-c?
They both also made "tac" sounds all the time.
Thanks.

 

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kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 26, 2015

• #2

Here is the Collared for comparison.

 

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kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 26, 2015

• #3

No ideas? Please help, potential lifer

 

ehsan

Ehsan Talebi

• Aug 27, 2015

• #4

It seems white on outer tail feathers reaching the tip; so i'd say Semicollared.

 

Pancho85

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #5

The white patch on primary coverts is not large enough and it's not close to wing-edge... I think Pied flycatcher.

 

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ehsan

Ehsan Talebi

• Aug 27, 2015

• #6

Pied flycatcher doesn't have a second wing bar.

 

chris butterworth

aka The Person Named Above

• Aug 27, 2015

• #7

There does appear to be a white margin running to the tip of the tail feathers but, the rather large amount of white at the base of the tertials is better for Collared / Eur. Pied. A second wingbar can be shown by all 4 / 5spp. W. P. "Pied Flycatchers". The extent of the white tips to the greater primary coverts is right for Eur. Pied, but the position of the feathers can affect this, particularly in a single photo.

 

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Iraq Babbler

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #8

I would lean toward Collared Flycatcher basing on the amount of white on tertails edge and dark primaries.

Omar

 

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Grahame Walbridge

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #9

These things can be very tricky in first-winter plumage. On balance, I would tentatively favour 1st-winter Collared. The link below provides an insight into the level of variation of plumage in 1st-winter Collared. Note the third bird from the top exhibits very reduced white primary bases similar to your bird.

http://birdingfrontiers.com/2010/12/14/spurns-collared-flycatcher/

Grahame

 

Pancho85

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #10

ehsan said:

Pied flycatcher doesn't have a second wing bar.

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Ok, sorry, I thought 1cy could have it.

Could you help me with this one then?

It was seen in Spain last week:

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Grahame Walbridge

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #11

ehsan said:

Pied flycatcher doesn't have a second wing bar.

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chris butterworth said:

A second wingbar can be shown by all 4 / 5spp. W. P. "Pied Flycatchers".

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Yes, they can all show a median covert bar.

IMO your bird is a Pied Flycatcher

Grahame

 

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Iraq Babbler

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #12

Grahame Walbridge said:

These things can be very tricky in first-winter plumage.
Grahame

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Totally agree, sometime unsafe to ID unless set of HQ pics. supplied.

Omar

 

Pancho85

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #13

Grahame Walbridge said:

Yes, they can all show a median covert bar.

IMO your bird is a Pied Flycatcher

Grahame

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Thanks Grahame,

I was in a hurry and had no time to read all the answers.

 

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Grahame Walbridge

Well-known member

• Aug 27, 2015

• #14

Sorry, I forgot to add this link showing a 1st-winter Pied with a median covert bar. If you click on replies there is a link to a very difficult 1st-winter Collared trapped at Spurn later that month, the ID confirmed following DNA analysis of a feather sample.

http://birdingfrontiers.com/2010/08/18/pied-flycatcher/

Grahame

 

ehsan

Ehsan Talebi

• Aug 27, 2015

• #15

Pancho85 said:

Ok, sorry, I thought 1cy could have it.

Could you help me with this one then?

It was seen in Spain last week:

PICTURE

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Yeah, I was wrong but learnt sth new.:t:

 

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kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 27, 2015

• #16

Soo... the bottom line is?

 

kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 27, 2015

• #17

I don't understand why this is not a Semicollared. It fits everything in the book except for tertial fringes.

 

Pancho85

Well-known member

• Aug 28, 2015

• #18

Pied Flycatcher seen today in Spain with the same features than yours.

PICTURE

 

kuzeycem

Medicinal Birding

• Aug 28, 2015

• #19

Why isn't that one a Semicollared? No bird fits everything in the book but my bird (and yours apparently) are a good match for Semicollared.
If it was a Collared, the second wing-bar, pb patch and tail margins would be unusual.
I know females of each species are variable but neither second wing-bar nor white outer tail feathers normal for any Ficedula other than Semicollared.

 

chris butterworth

aka The Person Named Above

• Aug 29, 2015

• #20

IMO. Even as a 1st w female Semi-collared the tertials would show a thin white margin with very little expansion at the base of the outer web. The more I look at the photos the more I'm coming round to the Eur. Pied camp.