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JANJ
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Hello again ,
Well, the first one could be California Gull, maybe a 3 cycle - judging from the little one sees of the bil pattern and two well developed mirrors in combination with tail markings compared with a Herring in the same age class.
The second one looks like a California Gull as well, but adult. Wing tip pattern fits well with black on outer web of p 7- 10 reaching primary coverts (p10 - 9 - variable in Herring). Those legs are California Gull as well.
Third - hm... Herring...
Nice ones Gentoo!
JanJ
Well, the first one could be California Gull, maybe a 3 cycle - judging from the little one sees of the bil pattern and two well developed mirrors in combination with tail markings compared with a Herring in the same age class.
The second one looks like a California Gull as well, but adult. Wing tip pattern fits well with black on outer web of p 7- 10 reaching primary coverts (p10 - 9 - variable in Herring). Those legs are California Gull as well.
Third - hm... Herring...
Nice ones Gentoo!
JanJ
lou salomon
the birdonist
to trick jan - yes,o
but i knew you'd come up with some of your superb pics, better than some dodgy foggy ylgs and their hybris - hybrids. you're very welcome to this play, gentoo!
:king:
lou salomon
the birdonist
as for the back ends in 218, i'd have them down the same way, just that the tertial and gr. covert pattern of the smith would possibly fit a 1st winter better, maybe those rounded p-tips just look so rounded? anyhow it is remarkable how different the 2 sp are in terms of coverts use - the southern wymani much more used than the northern HG.
and i fear jan is right with the 2nd set too. 2 california gulls and a 1st winter herring with renewed (outer) tail. pic shot in spring?
and i fear jan is right with the 2nd set too. 2 california gulls and a 1st winter herring with renewed (outer) tail. pic shot in spring?
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Howard King
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lou salomon
the birdonist
1st bird is difficult. a beautiful bird. first i almost got an armenicus impression with that short stubby bill and roundish head, a 3rd winter type. but gonys isn't pronounced and i think bill colour would be unusual - all dark tipped at this age in armenicus usually.
so it leaves you to barabensis/cachinnans indeed. eye doesn't look small like in typical cachinnans & bill is short - but there are too many 'untypical' birds around.- can't really get a clue from the primary pattern.
well, that last california gull: i suspected it would be so, was a bit thrown by that fresh tail and the worn coverts and decided on the pattern of tail which was of course bullshit. worn coverts - is that tendentially so in california versus herring? and those scapulars with a narrow black shaft streak resembling caspian is also better for cal. i guess? i looked through your pics and saw this presumed 1st winter/cycle albertaensis again with a weird single adult like scapular!
so it leaves you to barabensis/cachinnans indeed. eye doesn't look small like in typical cachinnans & bill is short - but there are too many 'untypical' birds around.- can't really get a clue from the primary pattern.
well, that last california gull: i suspected it would be so, was a bit thrown by that fresh tail and the worn coverts and decided on the pattern of tail which was of course bullshit. worn coverts - is that tendentially so in california versus herring? and those scapulars with a narrow black shaft streak resembling caspian is also better for cal. i guess? i looked through your pics and saw this presumed 1st winter/cycle albertaensis again with a weird single adult like scapular!
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lou salomon
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JANJ
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Hi Howard.
Nice set of gull images and exiting as usual.
The first one reminds of Yellow-legged Gull (michahellis) a 3rd winter type.
Status of YLG in Bahrain I´m nort sure of.
http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/image/37396691
Second one I think is a Heuglin´s Gull. Thickness of the bill might suggest other than heuglini but maybe angle thickens the bill but some large males presumably have stouter bills.
To the left in 3rd image a heuglini appears again but the plaer grey individual to the right is trickier. With a bill and head shape it could suggest a YLG but I don´t think so on this one and I have to consider it a bit more.
The fourth we have dealt with before.
Cheers.
JanJ
Nice set of gull images and exiting as usual.
The first one reminds of Yellow-legged Gull (michahellis) a 3rd winter type.
Status of YLG in Bahrain I´m nort sure of.
http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/image/37396691
Second one I think is a Heuglin´s Gull. Thickness of the bill might suggest other than heuglini but maybe angle thickens the bill but some large males presumably have stouter bills.
To the left in 3rd image a heuglini appears again but the plaer grey individual to the right is trickier. With a bill and head shape it could suggest a YLG but I don´t think so on this one and I have to consider it a bit more.
The fourth we have dealt with before.
Cheers.
JanJ
Howard King
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LOU a real guess but going on the small side something like Laughing or Grey-headed Gull
JanJ - on first image I have no idea myself - for young bird in pic three the only other image I have for this is attached taken a few moments befor it landed AS to michahellis I don't think they are supposed to occure in the Gulf and yes the last I did put up before - an oversight on my part sorry for that
JanJ - on first image I have no idea myself - for young bird in pic three the only other image I have for this is attached taken a few moments befor it landed AS to michahellis I don't think they are supposed to occure in the Gulf and yes the last I did put up before - an oversight on my part sorry for that
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lou salomon
the birdonist
hello
howard's grey mantled gulls from post 227 don't look like YLG to me. michahellis usually is more developed in bare part colour (bill, iris and legs) than these 3rd winters are. have a look at one of daniele's 3rd winter YLGs:
http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/image/91122136
from december (not in alternate plumage but still with pale iris and more adult like bill)
my best guess is barabensis for both of them.
the hind part is not laugher nor grey-headed.
last wings pics out of the guts:
1. ad nominate occidentalis
2. 2nd cycle ringbill
3. pass
4. near adult californicus?
:-C
howard's grey mantled gulls from post 227 don't look like YLG to me. michahellis usually is more developed in bare part colour (bill, iris and legs) than these 3rd winters are. have a look at one of daniele's 3rd winter YLGs:
http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/image/91122136
from december (not in alternate plumage but still with pale iris and more adult like bill)
my best guess is barabensis for both of them.
the hind part is not laugher nor grey-headed.
last wings pics out of the guts:
1. ad nominate occidentalis
2. 2nd cycle ringbill
3. pass
4. near adult californicus?
:-C
Howard King
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Post 233 Gentoo - 1 and 4 no idea --- 2 agree Ring-billed 3 maybe atlantis
Howard King
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Post 230 Lou one final guess before I give up audouinii
Gentoo
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post 230
Has third winter/cycle cachinans been suggested? That's some primary projection on that bird! If it's a smaller gull, I might even go with 2nd winter Ring-Billed. Too much black in the wing tips for Black-Headed or Bonaparte's IMO.
Gentoo
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Yes it is more so in California than Herring. Worn coverts can appear by November at times. I believe I took that pic on December 14 '06. The albertaensis was a little larger and darker with shorter legs. They seem to be common at that location.
