That's a lot of money for a 8x32 UHD.... The green models are currently on sale at my local store for 1199€ Fantastic bin, and I really like the green color|=)|
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Distortion and Glare in the Swarovski 8x32 EL Swarovision (1 Viewer)
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That's a lot of money for a 8x32 UHD.... The green models are currently on sale at my local store for 1199€ Fantastic bin, and I really like the green color|=)|
Watch Ebay. A lot of times you can pick up a Leica Ultravid 8x32 HD for a considerable discount.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-8x32-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
They may have some issues but at the end of the day they are the best 8x32 birding binocular in the world and you know deep deep down inside you reaaaaaaly want one.Sounds like Swaro has some issues that need to be worked out before I buy one. 3
I'm sorry, I couldnt help myself. :-C
perterra
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I dont like it enough to spend $1000.
perterra
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Actually no, binoculars are pretty low on my list of wants. I havent found the Conquest lacking in any way (and they dont have a glare problem)
Brock
Here's a thought for you to chew on.
Gerry Dobler said that between 5 - 10% of people were affected by RB. Notice the word affected. He didn't say that 5-10% of people see RB.
It seems likely he was referring to those people who not only see RB but who cannot adapt to it or tolerate it, since these are the people who are affected by it. Those who don't see it or who can adapt to it / ignore it / tolerate it aren't affected by it.
If this interpretation is correct (and I will ask Herr Dobler about this at Bird Fair) then we have two figures to consider:
Holger's estimate of 30% of people who see the globus effect.
Dobler's estimate of 5-10% of people who cannot adapt to it or tolerate it.
These figures don't seem incompatible.
Lee
Holger Merlitz
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Key word: estimate. Actually, they have no idea what the real numbers are.
Thats a fair comment Pilly and I did use the word 'estimate' for this reason.
But there is a key difference between the Dobler/Holger estimates and some other 'estimates' or comments on the possible extent of the issue and that is that neither Dobler nor Holger have any other agenda than trying to get a feel for the truth.
Lee
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Mac308
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Those figures actually "seem" a bit low to me based on my circle of friends who have used the SV. Most of us are affected by RB in one measure or another. Me, I find it intolerable.
Like the eyeglass "Progressive Lenses" some can adapt and tolerate the "discomfort", some of us cannot or will not (there are other choices, why bother?).
At the end of the day I think the edge-to-edge clarity of the SV is an unnecessary, unnatural gimmick, and one pushing binocular design in the exact wrong direction.
But for Swaro fans there is always the excellent SLC line which are certainly more accommodating to my eyes than the SV's.
Hi Mac
Long time, no speak, nice to see you drop by :t:
Sounds like most of your pals see RB but how many can't adapt/tolerate?
Me? I don't see RB at all, and BTW I have worn progressive or what we call 'vari-focal' glasses for years and never noticed anything adverse. The only time I tried bi-focals I soon gave up because I couldn't see my computer screen or car dashboard.
I wouldn't call edge to edge sharpness a gimmick exactly but what do I know when I am an image centering guy and find looking at the edge of FOV decidedly uncomfortable.
SLCs are nice bins for sure and its a shame they are overshadowed in some folks' eyes by ELs. Same goes for Zeiss HTs now that SF is out there.
Lee
perterra
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I switched to progressives and never looked back, no discomfort what so ever. But I'm not doubting they didnt gee haw with you. Some folks dont get along with them, I guess just like CA or rolling balls
Hej Kimmo
'Just curious' ? No you're not
You are always curious for a reason :smoke:
Lee
Yo Kimmo
By suspicion I suppose you mean my innocent curiosity about your curiosity
In the meantime I have been able to prepare an answer. See the picture below which took some time to find and which which I have had to reduce in file size due to the limit imposed by this forum.
My spectacles are the first item of 'clothing' I put on in the morning and they are the last thing I take off at bedtime.
I have worn varifocals for more than 40 years and wouldn't go anywhere without wearing them.
Best wishes Lee
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perterra
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I will say, in my case I wear the progressives when viewing. In general I dont think they help my view any, but neither do they hinder it to a degree I would worry about. I think they do degrade edge clarity a bit but it's not an issue for me. I own 4 pr of progressives, some work better than others for binoculars.
As to a preference of viewing with or without, depends on the binoculars. In glasses with about 20mm plus of eye relief I find glasses make the viewing easier, with tighter than 16 or so, they are a pain.
perterra
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Yo Kimmo
By suspicion I suppose you mean my innocent curiosity about your curiosity
In the meantime I have been able to prepare an answer. See the picture below which took some time to find and which which I have had to reduce in file size due to the limit imposed by this forum.
My spectacles are the first item of 'clothing' I put on in the morning and they are the last thing I take off at bedtime.
I have worn varifocals for more than 40 years and wouldn't go anywhere without wearing them.
Best wishes Lee
What a handsome lad indeed, for a second there I thought I was looking at Tom Selleck!
Lee,
Nice picture! Just as sunny as we have had for most of the summer. Now that summer is almost over for us, it is finally warm and clear.
I didn't need glasses myself until in my mid-to-late forties. I have always been farsighted, but until then accommodation allowed me to focus. So, first I got reading glasses and then varifocals after I could no longer attain infinity focus without positive correction. However, for birding and other outdoor activities, as well as for sunglasses, I have bifocals, as I found the field of sharp view of the varifocals excessively restricted. For binocular and telescope viewing, I take even these off since I get a better image without them. This is possible since fortunately I have almost no astigmatism. I have considered contacts to avoid the hassle of taking glasses off and putting them on again, but haven't tried them yet.
But I still remember longingly how nice birding was when no glasses were needed. Those were the days…
Kimmo
Nice picture! Just as sunny as we have had for most of the summer. Now that summer is almost over for us, it is finally warm and clear.
I didn't need glasses myself until in my mid-to-late forties. I have always been farsighted, but until then accommodation allowed me to focus. So, first I got reading glasses and then varifocals after I could no longer attain infinity focus without positive correction. However, for birding and other outdoor activities, as well as for sunglasses, I have bifocals, as I found the field of sharp view of the varifocals excessively restricted. For binocular and telescope viewing, I take even these off since I get a better image without them. This is possible since fortunately I have almost no astigmatism. I have considered contacts to avoid the hassle of taking glasses off and putting them on again, but haven't tried them yet.
But I still remember longingly how nice birding was when no glasses were needed. Those were the days…
Kimmo
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