Gull ID - Hamburg, Germany (1 Viewer)

[Fritz73]

Can someone reconfirm the gull on the left?

At first I thought it was a European Herring Gull like the one on the right, but then I noticed the grey back / winges been darker. Is this then another gull? or just another subspecies?

Thanks for your comments.

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello Fritz,

like you I hope for Lou and others to comment. And before it gets burried, my thoughts to bump it up:

• despite the darkish upperparts (darker then the Common Gulls) I think its best to start with thinking its a Herring Gull.
• With the lack of a red gape and eye-ring and ill/pale coloration to the legs its no YLG imo.
• It has too much white in the primaries for a LBBG

And more? Yes, I see both a greyish and a yellowish tinge to the legs, an indication for some Caspian Gull genes in your bird (although lege are short)???
And although the eye is pale, I cant loose the feeling of small size.
(should there be the grey tongue on the underside of p9 visible, if this is a pure Caspian Gull? Err, yes (?)

Conclusion? I start with suggesting its an adult Herring Gull with possible Caspian Gull genes in it. And as always.. Thanks!

For comparison an ID book Herring Gull (thats how I like them you know) (Wyk auf Föhr, N-Germany, 03.02.2010)

https://flic.kr/p/2pB46LW

 

[lou salomon]

Fritz, Alexander,

yes, these are both Herring Gulls, the darker bird possibly being a northern breeder. There exist even darker Herring Gulls. Short wings with large p10 mirror (all white tip), large white primary tips and short flesh coloured legs leave no doubt. I see absolutely no Caspian Influence in this bird (the darker one).