Herring Gull or Caspian Gull 29-02024 NW England (3 Viewers)

[Earnest lad]

This is a long shot but please may I request advice if possible please, as I am not knowledgeable about gulls.
I saw this bird today, and although I expected a Herring Gull, I was struck by what I understand to be some features consistent with Caspian Gull.
-The long slender bill.
-a seemingly dark eye.
-the mark at the end of the bill is extending beyond the lower mandible onto the upper mandible.

On the other hand I appreciate it is out of range really for Caspian Gull. Also the legs might not be long enough.

I would be grateful for any comments please, as I would like to improve in Gull id .

 

[KenM]

The mantle looks very pale…..?

Cheers

 

[Prestdj]

id say just herring but some interesting features

no mark on p5
very short legs

an odd looking bird

 

[Butty]

mantle looks very pale…..?

Looks herring-gull-colour. And not wise to make a subtle shade judgement without a comparison.

very short legs

Normal length legs with one foot inside a rubbish bin.

 

[KenM]

Looks herring-gull-colour. And not wise to make a subtle shade judgement without a comparison.

….as I’ve often said Butty, with images that good and close, you really should get your eyes tested.👍

 

[lou salomon]

it's an adult Herring Gull (on primary pattern etc.).

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

….as I’ve often said Butty, with images that good and close, you really should get your eyes tested.👍

...so it was herring gull colored after all ....