How many ....... Crows ........ have you seen? (2 Viewers)

[chris butterworth]

There seems to be a major split among people about corvids. Some ( the more intelligent ones such as myself ) think they are superb while others tend to consider them 'dross' at best. I was just thinking "How many corvids have I seen?" and I got quite a pleasant shock. Heres my list, to date, with possible 'splits' etc. left as subspecies :-

1 Crested Jay -
ardeasiacus Malay Pen., Thailand
nominate Java
coronatus Sumatra, Borneo
2 Black Magpie -
nominate Malay Pen., Sumatra
aterrimus Borneo
3 Pinyon Jay - California
4 Blue Jay - E. north America, Texas
5 Steller's Jay - Queen Charlotte Is. to California
6 Florida Jay - Florida
7 Scrub Jay - California
8 Woodhouse' Jay - Texas
9 Grey-breasted Jay - Texas
10 Black-collared Jay - Venezuela
11 Azure-hooded Jay - Costa Rica
12 Silver-throated Jay - Costa Rica
13 Violaceous Jay - Venezuela
14 Black-chested Jay - Costa Rica
15 Green Jay - Texas
16 Inca Jay - Venezuela
17 White-throated Magpie Jay - costa Rica
18 Brown Jay - Texas, Costa Rica
19 Eurasian Jay
( groups of taxa as per Madge and Burn )
nominate , Europe
cervicalis , Morocco
atricapillus , Turkey, Middle East
brandti , Tuva, Heilungjiang, Hokkaido
japonicus , Japan
bispecularis , Nepal, Taiwan
leucotis , Vietnam
20 Lidth's Jay - Amami-oshima
21 Siberian Jay - Sweden, Finland, Tuva
22 Grey Jay - Canada, California
23 Taiwan Magpie - Taiwan
24 Gold-billed Magpie - Nepal, Vietnam
25 Blue Magpie - N. India, Nepal, E China, SE Asia
26 White-winged Magpie - Vietnam
27 Green Magpie -
nominate , N India, Nepal, Thailand, Vietnam
minor , Sumatra, Borneo
robinsoni , Malay Pen.
klossi , Vietnam
margaritae , Mt Langbian, Vietnam
28 Yellow-breasted Green Magpie - Vietnam
29 Short-tailed Green Magpie -
nominate , Java
jefferyi , Borneo
30 Azure-winged Magpie - Nthn China, Japan
31 Iberian Magpie - Spain
32 Rufous Treepie - N India, Thailand, Vietnam
33 Grey Treepie -
nominate + sinica , Taiwan, China
himalayensis + assimilis , Nepal, Thailand
34 Sumatran Treepie - Sumatra
35 Bornean Treepie - Borneo
36 Collared Treepie - Vietnam ( west of Mt. Fan Si Pan )
37 Raquet-tailed Treepie - SE Asia, Sumatra
38 Ratchet-tailed Treepie - Vietnam
39 Black-billed Magpie -
nominate , Europe
melanotus , Spain
mauritanica , Morocco
hemileucoptera , Tuva
sericea , Vietnam
40 Hudsonian Magpie - W Canada, California
41 Yellow-billed Magpie - California
42 Stresmann's Bush Crow - Ethiopia
43 Henderson's Ground Chough / Jay - Nei Mongol Zizhiqu, China
44 Spotted Nutcracker - UK, Scandinavia, Tuva, Nthn China
45 Clark's Nutcracker - British Columbia, California
46 Yellow-billed Chough - Pyrenees, Alps, Carpathians, Corsica, Turkey
Tuva, Himalayas
47 Red-billed Chough - Europe, Canary Is. Ethiopia, Turkey, Sayan Mts,
Khingan Shan
48 Piapiac - sub-Saharan Africa
49 Western Jackdaw - Europe, Turkey
50 Daurian Jackdaw - Sayan Mts, Nthn China, Japan
51 House Crow - Nepal, N India ( Middle East, SE Asia, E Africa as intro. )
52 Slender-billed Crow -
nominate , Java
compilator , Malay Pen., Sumatra, Borneo
celebensis , Sulawesi
53 Violaceous Crow - Ceram
54 Piping Crow - Sulawesi
55 Long-billed Crow - Halmahera
56 Black Crow - E. Africa
57 Rook - Palearctic
58 North-western Crow - British Columbia
59 American Crow - North America
60 Tamaulipas Crow - Texas
61 Fish Crow - E. USA
62 Palm Crow - Dominican Republic, Cuba
63 Jamaican Crow - Jamaica
64 Cuban Crow - Cuba
65 White-necked Crow - Dominican Republic
66 W. Carrion Crow - W. Europe
67 E. Carrion ( Oriental Carrion )Crow - Asia
68 Hooded Crow - Ireland to Turkey
69 Large-billed Crow -
nominate , Malay Pen., Sumatra, Java
japonensis , Japan
connectens , Nthn Nansei Shoto
osai , Sthn Nansei Shoto
mandschuricus , Heilungjiang
colonorum , China, Taiwan, Vietnam
tibetosinensis , Nepal
intermedius , N India
70 Jungle Crow - Thailand, Nepal
71 Torresian Crow - E Australia, Halmahera
72 Little Crow - Victoria
73 Australian Raven - Victoria, Queensland
74 Little Raven - Victoria
75 Forest Raven - Victoria
76 Collared Crow - Hong Kong, Vietnam
77 Chihuahuan Raven - Texas
78 Pied Crow - sub-Saharan Africa
79 Dwarf Raven - Ethiopia
80 Brown-necked Raven - Cape Verde Is, Morocco, Middle East, UAE
81 Northern Raven - Holarctic
82 Fan-tailed Raven - Middle East, Ethiopia
83 White-necked Raven - Kenya, Uganda
84 Thick-billed Raven - Ethiopia

It was a bit of a shock when I finally counted them up, as I hadn't realised how many there were!

Chris

p.s. I was going to go for "How many Pipits...?" but I thought some people might get as confused as I do with the little bu**ers!

C

 

[birdboybowley]

Pretty sure that our Magpie and Black-billed are split so add another one Chris. Good corvid list.....I like 'em too!

 

[chris butterworth]

I've included " Our" Maggie as Black-billed and the 'colonials' ( ) bird as Hudsonian. " Black-billed" is probably due for another hit with the splitting stick any time soon :t:

Chris

 

[Nature__lover]

my corvid list adds up to a grand total of 2. :|

 

[Adam W]

Carrion Crow
Hooded Crow
Rook
Jackdaw
Jay
Magpie
Raven
Alpine Chough.

 

[Jan-Paul Charteris]

Carrion Crow
Hooded Crow
Rook
Jackdaw
Jay
Magpie
Raven
Alpine Chough.

Alpine Chough but not Chough? (Other than the addition of the latter, my crow list is exactly the same Never birded outside Europe yet and never been in the range of Azure-winged Magpie, Sibe jay and Nutcracker...all very much on my wanted list though, especially the Azure-winged which I can't see ever getting to Britain)

Jan

 

[Larry Lade]

Family: CORVIDAE (Crows and Jays)

Blue Jay, St. Joseph, Missouri, USA
Steller's Jay, Wenatchee, Washington, USA
Western Scrub-Jay, Denver, Colorado, USA
Mexican Jay, Portal, Arizona, USA
Turquoise Jay, Mindo, Ecuador
Violaceous Jay, Sacha Lodge, Ecuador
Green Jay, Rio Hondo, Texas, USA
Brown Jay, Salineño, Texas, USA
White-throated Magpie-Jay, Orotina, Costa Rica
Gray Jay, Idaho Springs, Colorado, USA
Azure-winged Magpie, Beijing, China
Black-billed Magpie, Wenatchee, Washington, USA
*Black-billed Magpie, London, England
Clark's Nutcracker, Estes Park, Colorado, USA
Cape Crow, Baringo, Kenya
Northwestern Crow, Easton, Washington, USA
American Crow, Saint Joseph, Missouri, USA
Tamaulipas Crow, Brownsville, Texas, USA
Fish Crow, Puxico, Missouri, USA
Carrion Crow, London, England
Large-billed Crow, Beijing, China
Chihuahuan Raven, Road Forks, New Mexico, USA
Pied Crow, Nairobi, Kenya
Common Raven, Echo Lake, Colorado, USA
Fan-tailed Raven, Bogoria, Kenya

 

[Adam W]

Alpine Chough but not Chough?

Yes i know it does seem a little odd but I've never seen a chough in Britain but I saw Alpine Choughs in Italy on a school skiing trip.

 

[viator]

Crested Jay
Bornean Black Magpie
Black Magpie
Gray Jay
Yucatan Jay
Green Jay
Blue Jay
Steller's Jay
California Scrub Jay
Woodhouse's Scrub Jay
Pinyon Jay
Eurasian Jay
Azure-winged Magpie
Iberian Magpie
Red-billed Blue Magpie
Common Green Magpie
Short-tailed Green Magpie
Rufous Treepie
Bornean Treepie
Grey Treepie
Racket-tailed Treepie
Common Magpie
Black-billed Magpie
Clark's Nutcracker
Red-billed Chough
Alpine Chough
Western Jackdaw
House Crow
Slender-billed Crow
Cape Crow
American Crow
Northwestern Crow
Carrion Crow
Hooded Crow
Collared Crow
Large-billed Crow
Eastern Jungle Crow
Indian Jungle Crow
Torresian Crow
Little Crow
Forest Raven
Little Raven
Australian Raven
Pied Crow
Northern Raven
White-necked Raven

 

[MJB]

There seems to be a major split among people about corvids. Some ( the more intelligent ones such as myself ) think they are superb while others tend to consider them 'dross' at best. I was just thinking "How many corvids have I seen?" and I got quite a pleasant shock. Heres my list, to date, with possible 'splits' etc. left as subspecies :-
C

Chris,
Good, comprehensive list. Nice bet-hedging with macrorhyncus.

HBW 14 elevates Pica asirensis (500 birds?) but Mike Jennings has doubts, having watched and listened to more than possibly any other informed person.

One taxon worth betting on could be laurencei as 'Punjab Raven' whose range reaches Turkey...
MJB
PS Mark Cocker's Crow Country is evocative nature writing

 

[Mysticete]

California Scrub Jay California
Florida Scrub Jay Florida
Mexican Jay Arizona
Woodhouse's Scrub Jay Colorado
Western Jackdaw England
White-necked Raven South Africa
Pied Crow Kenya
American Crow USA
Northwestern Crow Alaska, Washington
Common Raven (California and Common forms) California, Michigan, Wyoming
Carrion Crow (Oriental and European forms) England, Japan
Australian Raven Victoria
Chihuahaun Raven Arizona
Rook England
Large-billed Crow Japan
Little Raven Victoria
Fish Crow Carolinas
House Crow South Africa
Blue Jay USA
Steller's Jay (Rocky Mountain and Pacific forms) California, Wyoming
Green Jay Texas
Azure-winged Magpie Japan
Eurasian Jay (European and Japanese forms) England, Japan
Clark's Nutcracker California, Wyoming
Black-billed Magpie Wyoming, Colorado, California
Yellow-billed Magpie California
Common Magpie England
Gray Jay Michigan, Wyoming


Should add Pinyon Jay this May at the CFO conference

 

[Jacana]

Honduras
Azure-hooded Jay
Brown Jay

Dominican Republic
Hispaniolan Palm Crow

Thailand
Common Green Magpie
Eastern Jungle Crow
Large-billed Crow
Racket-tailed Treepie
Red-billed Blue Magpie

UK
Carrion Crow
Eurasian Jay
Eurasian Magpie
Hooded Crow
Northern Raven
Red-billed Chough
Rook
Western Jackdaw

16 in total, IOC

 

[david kelly]

Mine is 28, more than I thought.

Blue Jay Cyanocitta cristata
Western Scrub-Jay Aphelocoma californica
Mexican Jay Aphelocoma ultramarina
Brown Jay Psilorhinus morio
Eurasian Jay Garrulus glandarius
Grey Jay Perisoreus Canadensis
Pinyon Jay Gymnorhinus cyanocephalus
Rufous Treepie Dendrocitta vagabunda
White-bellied Treepie Dendrocitta leucogastra
Black-billed Magpie Pica pica
American Magpie Pica hudsonica
Clark’s Nutcracker Nucifraga columbiana
Red-billed Chough Pyrrhocorax pyrrhocorax
Yellow-billed Chough Pyrrhocorax graculus
Western Jackdaw Corvus monedula
House Crow Corvus splendens
Black Crow Corvus capensis
Rook Corvus frugilegus
American Crow Corvus brachyrhynchos
Cuban Crow Corvus nasutus
Carrion Crow Corvus corone
Hooded Crow Corvus cornix
Large-billed Crow Corvus macrorhynchos
Pied Crow Corvus albus
Fan-tailed Raven Corvus rhipidurus
Chihahuan Raven Corvus cryptoleucus
Northern Raven Corvus corax
White-necked Raven Corvus albicollis

David

 

[Wildmoreway]

Chough
Jackdaw
Carrion Crow
Rook
Raven
Magpie
Jay

All except the Chough (seen on Anglesey) were seen in South Cheshire.

 

[Lmc3598]

Hi
My list is
Jay-Borders, Cheshire and Midlands
Magpie-Se Scotland, Most parts of England (from London northwards)
Jackdaw-Most parts of Scotland and England
Rook-Most parts of Scotland and England
Carrion crow-Most parts of Scotland and England
Hooded crow-Highlands and Argyll
Hooded-Carrion hybrid-Argyll and Lothian
Raven-Most of Scotland, NW England, Staffordshire and Devon

 

[Keith Dickinson]

Here's goes my meagre list of corvids

1. Raven - Yorkshire
2. Carrion crow - Yorkshire
3. Hooded crow - Kintyre peninsula, Scotland
4. Rook - Yorkshire
5. Magpie - Yorkshire
6. Jay - Yorkshire
7. Jackdaw - Yorkshire
8. Azure-winged magpie - Portugal
9. Nutcracker - N Italy

 

[lewis20126]

I wasn't going to post on these threads.... but I had to check: 85! Favourites White-tailed Jay, Stresemann's Bush-crow, Brown-headed Crow, Collared Crow (now very rare) and Flores Crow
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[bkrownd]

American Crow (me favorite)
Hawaiian Crow
Raven

Blue Jay
Gray Jay

Backyard Magpie (whichever kind that is)

 

[lewis20126]

Hawaiian Crow

Now that is just showing off!!! B

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[Capercaillie71]

Alpine Chough but not Chough?

I don't think that is particularly unusual at a European level - Alpine Choughs outnumber Red-billed Choughs by 5:1 in Europe. I certainly saw Alpine Chough several years before I finally ventured to those remote parts where the red-billed ones are found (i.e. Wales!).

Anyway, my corvid list stands at 24, apparently:

Eurasian Jay
Siberian Jay
Gray Jay
Scrub Jay
Pinyon Jay
Blue Jay
Steller's Jay
Collared Jay
Green Jay
Magpie
Eurasian Nutcracker
Clark's Nutcracker
Alpine Chough
Chough
Jackdaw
Rook
Carrion Crow
Hooded Crow
Cape Crow
Pied Crow
American Crow
Fish Crow
African White-necked Raven
Raven