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- Thread starter Peter Kovalik
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Haha of course! Probably auto correct in action.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Gustav, I think the error (in the Abstract, that is) is fairly obvious, even more so, by the following sentence/explanation (on p.3, in the Paper itself, by Brown et al.): " .. suggests relationships with Nesotrochis Wetmore [a genus comprising three large, flightless, extinct species from the Greater Antilles]".
And, of course, the Islands of the Greater Antilles (which incl. Haiti) is located in the Caribbean, far, far from the Polynesian/Pacific Island Tahiti.
Also see their List of references:
Allt gott!
Björn
And, of course, the Islands of the Greater Antilles (which incl. Haiti) is located in the Caribbean, far, far from the Polynesian/Pacific Island Tahiti.
Also see their List of references:
- Olson SL. 1974. A new species of Nesotrochis from Hispaniola, with notes on other fossil rails from the West Indies (Aves: Rallidae). Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 87: 439–450.
- Oswald JA, et al.. 2021. Ancient DNA from the extinct Haitian cave-rail (Nesotrochis steganinos) suggests a biogeographic connection between the Caribbean and Old World. Biology Letters 17: ...
Allt gott!
Björn
albertonykus
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Brown, A.F., Y. Lawrie, T.J. Shannon, J.M. Collinson, G.M. Kirwan, A. Kirkconnell, and M. Stervander (2022)
First genetic data for the critically endangered Cuban endemic Zapata Rail Cyanolimnas cerverai, and the taxonomic implications
Journal of Ornithology (advance online publication)
doi: 10.1007/s10336-022-02004-0
The taxonomic affinity of the near-flightless Zapata Rail Cyanolimnas cerverai, a critically endangered and highly localized species endemic to Cuba, has long been debated. Morphological analyses have suggested that this species, which constitutes a monotypic genus, could be related either to the extinct Tahitian Cave Rails (Nesotrochis sp.) or to the South American rail tribe Pardirallini, i.e., the genera Neocrex, Mustelirallus, and Pardirallus. While pronounced phenotypic convergence—and divergence—among rails have repeatedly proven morphology-based phylogenies unreliable, thus far no attempt to sequence DNA from the enigmatic Cyanolimnas has succeeded. In this study, we extracted historic DNA from a museum specimen collected in 1927 and sequenced multiple short fragments that allowed us to assemble a partial sequence of the mitochondrial cytochrome oxidase I gene. Phylogenetic analyses confirm that Cyanolimnas belongs in tribe Pardirallini as sister to genus Neocrex, from which it diverged about 6 million years ago. Their divergence from Mustelirallus was estimated at about 9 million years ago. Based on morphology and our mitochondrial phylogeny, we conclude that it is unjustified to retain the monotypic genus Cyanolimnas and tentatively recommend that C. cerverai and the two Neocrex species are ascribed to genus Mustelirallus.
First genetic data for the critically endangered Cuban endemic Zapata Rail Cyanolimnas cerverai, and the taxonomic implications
Journal of Ornithology (advance online publication)
doi: 10.1007/s10336-022-02004-0
The taxonomic affinity of the near-flightless Zapata Rail Cyanolimnas cerverai, a critically endangered and highly localized species endemic to Cuba, has long been debated. Morphological analyses have suggested that this species, which constitutes a monotypic genus, could be related either to the extinct Tahitian Cave Rails (Nesotrochis sp.) or to the South American rail tribe Pardirallini, i.e., the genera Neocrex, Mustelirallus, and Pardirallus. While pronounced phenotypic convergence—and divergence—among rails have repeatedly proven morphology-based phylogenies unreliable, thus far no attempt to sequence DNA from the enigmatic Cyanolimnas has succeeded. In this study, we extracted historic DNA from a museum specimen collected in 1927 and sequenced multiple short fragments that allowed us to assemble a partial sequence of the mitochondrial cytochrome oxidase I gene. Phylogenetic analyses confirm that Cyanolimnas belongs in tribe Pardirallini as sister to genus Neocrex, from which it diverged about 6 million years ago. Their divergence from Mustelirallus was estimated at about 9 million years ago. Based on morphology and our mitochondrial phylogeny, we conclude that it is unjustified to retain the monotypic genus Cyanolimnas and tentatively recommend that C. cerverai and the two Neocrex species are ascribed to genus Mustelirallus.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
9 mya, it's quite old IMHO
Jacana
Will Jones
The authors know, they are working on a fix
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Daniel L Goldberg, Ben M Sadd, Angelo P Capparella, A rallid ballad: Communal signaling is correlated with year-round territoriality in the most duet-rich family of birds (Gruiformes: Rallidae), Ornithology, Volume 140, Issue 1, 12 January 2023,
academic.oup.com
I will not be able to judge the relevance of their result but Amaurornis isabellina is embedded into Zapornia
A rallid ballad: Communal signaling is correlated with year-round territoriality in the most duet-rich family of birds (Gruiformes: Rallidae)
Abstract. Duetting, in which 2 or more individuals call in coordinated unison, is common in birds, yet most research investigating the function of avian du
academic.oup.com
I will not be able to judge the relevance of their result but Amaurornis isabellina is embedded into Zapornia
MJB
Well-known member
In high mountain grassy meadows (at 1100-1250m asl) in Slovakia, I noted that Corncrake, treating me as a predator, would trot ahead of me on the path contour, occasionally calling, to decoy me away from the breeding territory. I imagine that duetting behaviour would not be an aid to survival for species that employ decoy tactics...!Daniel L Goldberg, Ben M Sadd, Angelo P Capparella, A rallid ballad: Communal signaling is correlated with year-round territoriality in the most duet-rich family of birds (Gruiformes: Rallidae), Ornithology, Volume 140, Issue 1, 12 January 2023,
A rallid ballad: Communal signaling is correlated with year-round territoriality in the most duet-rich family of birds (Gruiformes: Rallidae)
Abstract. Duetting, in which 2 or more individuals call in coordinated unison, is common in birds, yet most research investigating the function of avian du
I will not be able to judge the relevance of their result but Amaurornis isabellina is embedded into Zapornia
MJB
l_raty
laurent raty
This position comes from the phylogeny of Garcia-R & Matzke 2021, which is simply adopted in the new paper (i.e., they did not do any phylogenetic analysis).
The position of isabellina in Garcia-R & Matzke 2021, in turn, rested exclusively of morphological data taken from Livezey 1998.
In Livezey's own analyses, these morphological data failed entirely to distinguish between the current restricted Amaurornis and Zapornia.
OTOH, Slika et al 2002 found Amaurornis isabellina to cluster with A. olivacea and A. phoenicura (with high support -- BS=99), outside of the clade which we now call Zapornia, based on mtDNA data (which they, however, did not make publicly available -- this was before the generalized use of GenBank -- and which therefore could not be included in Garcia-R & Matzke's "total-evidence" analysis).
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
The type locality of Fulica cristata is Madagascar, but the species also occurs in Europe, East and South Africa. Is the species migratory or, on the contrary, is it sedentary? If it is sedentary, are we sure that the different populations belong to the same species?
Xenospiza
Distracted
Maximum travel distance recorded is 1070 km in South Africa; in the past it used to wander considerable distances in the Mediterranean, according to the Handbook of the Birds of the World.
The Mediterranean population now looks more isolated than the Malagasy one, but I bet things were different when the Sahara was greener.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
It must go back a long way. It would be interesting to study the phylogeography of this species to determine the divergence between the different populations.
MJB
Well-known member
BirdLife classes it as non-migratory, though the data tables indicate vagrancy to a good few countries. The small Oman breeding population might be a mix of Introduced and vagrant birds. I say 'might', because very recently Socotra experienced and influx of birds after adverse weather events over and beyond the Horn of Africa. These birds are now breeding in Socotra, but of course the tenancy of such a small population is vulnerable.
Over much of its distribution, the species is associated with freshwater pools and marshes in arid areas, and so it most likely it will have to resort to finding new feeding and breeding locations. In arid areas, rainfall characteristically is erratic in timing, volume and location, and so populations may have to move long distances for survival, not traditional migration, but like many Australian species, liable to be found far from expected locations.
That still doesn't explain the gap of 4600km across the Sahara between the Moroccan and Ethiopian populations.
Interestingly, BirdLife does provide a distribution map, but IUCN does not.
MJB
l_raty
laurent raty
Xenospiza
Distracted
It was not the most exciting bird to look for at Lake Habbema in New Guinea but hey!
Surely not that long. ~6-9,000 yrs iirc.
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Ok, I expected more
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