Two birds Kyrgyzstan - end of July (1 Viewer)

[steenl]

Hi all,

Had a wonderfull holiday in Kyrgyzstan. Not that many birds in full summer but we enjoyed.
I have two birds photographed and want to check with you.
One juvenile bird. For me an Evermann's Redstart juvenile. Agree? Little doubt for Pied Bushchat.
Other bird is a Wheatear. I think Northern Wheatear or i'm wrong and its a Pied.

Thanks again!
Greetings,
Lennaert

 

[KenM]

Haven’t a clue with the Wheatear, other than Oenanthe challengeus…..😮

 

[CARERY]

I'd say juvenile Pied Bushchat - grey with two distinct wingbars - and moulting adult male Northern Wheatear

 

[KenM]

I'd say juvenile Pied Bushchat - grey with two distinct wingbars - and moulting adult male Northern Wheatear

How do you account for the salmon pink wash to the underparts?

 

[Tote]

First bird: it seems to have a white patch on tertials and longish tail. Could it be a Blue-capped Redstart?

 

[CARERY]

How do you account for the salmon pink wash to the underparts?

Maybe the light reflecting from the salmon pink limestone forming the interior of the wall it is sitting on ?

 

[KenM]

I think that’s “stretching” reflection a bit too far…from the UTC’s up to the chest!
You’ll have to do better than that!🤣

 

[CARERY]

First bird: it seems to have a white patch on tertials and longish tail. Could it be a Blue-capped Redstart?

Good question! I wouldn't know for sure but I'd think the primaries and tail do look too black for Blue-capped Redstart? But then, I've never seen one least of all one in full juvenile plumage

 

[CARERY]

I think that’s “stretching” reflection a bit too far…from the UTC’s up to the chest!
You’ll have to do better than that!🤣

You are a bit critical here, Ken 8D...

I really was serious about my suggestion of reflecting light - the angle it is sitting on the wall would do I think. One can see the salmon-coloured stone (whether it's limestone or concrete I can't tell)...

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

First bird: it seems to have a white patch on tertials and longish tail. Could it be a Blue-capped Redstart?

I think you may well be correct and much more widespread and likely in Kyrgyzstan than Pied Bushchat.

Grahame

 

[KenM]

You are a bit critical here, Ken 8D...

I really was serious about my suggestion of reflecting light - the angle it is sitting on the wall would do I think. One can see the salmon-coloured stone (whether it's limestone or concrete I can't tell)...

Yes Roland, I took your suggestion seriously and can see the face of the pink tiles beneath the white mortar overhang, which in itself should help to deflect any pink tile “reflection”?
As to whether it’s entirely explained by reflection “only”, is speculation beyond my remit.😮

 

[Butty]

You are a bit critical here, Ken 8D...

Not at all. The white fluffy bits at the edge of the wing and the white chin are, umm, (contrastingly) white - whereas reflection-theory would require them to show some buff - and the vertical part of the chest to show less buff, which it doesn't. I'm with Ken - the buff needs to be explained.

 

[CARERY]

They do show a salmon belly in summer when newly moulted:

ML482100121 Northern Wheatear Macaulay Library

 

[steenl]

thx all for comments
So Blue-capped Redstart and Northern Wheatear it is