Which hawk? Istanbul Turkey (2 Viewers)

[babuccu]

Hi everyone. I observed this individual this morning in Istanbul. Had pretty wide wings and considering the primaries I discarded the probability of sparrowhawk. I was bent to levant however the primary tips weren’t dark. Really confused at this stage. Do you guys think goshawk or dark chanting goshawk is an option here. Thanks

 

[lou salomon]

adult female Levant Sparrowhawk.

 

[Butty]

adult female Levant Sparrowhawk.

...based on?

 

[babuccu]

adult female Levant Sparrowhawk.

this is a different individual i photographed a couple of days ago which is surely a female levant. however the ones i shared in the thread looked different to me.

 

[Butty]

Primaries indeed very different, in pattern and structure.

 

[tconzemi]

...based on?

Silhouette: long, rather pointed wings with small hand and rather short tail
secondary barring less bold as in Sprawk
due to some missing secondaries in the right wing and some ongoing moult in primaries, the whole bird looks a bit messy
Some females show almost no dark in primaries (maybe a younger or even sec.cal y female?)

 

[Butty]

long, rather pointed wings with small hand

And the differences in wing-tip structure between the two photos...?

 

[lou salomon]

...based on?

if you add the missing (shed) p7 you get the 4th finger typical of the wingtip in LS, as opposed to the 6 fingers in Sprawk and Gos. Underparts are barred, so not a juvenile but also not an adult male. I think Tom is right with 2cy female.