Yorkshire Birding (65 Viewers)

[Keith Dickinson]

Unfortunately I think James may be right,our first reaction to hang the little b******s from the nearest tree would probably incite their mates to come round causing more aggro.This has shown to be so in other cases but alas I have no idea how to stop this mindless behaviour,so will continue to rant and rave.

Stop the bstd's breeding is the way forward. If you get caught wearing burberry and your income is less than 30K (or more if provided by the state) then forcible sterilisation is the way forward.

 

[woodhornbirder]

"It is unlikely that those from a poor socio-economic background are going to appreciate birdwatching "

can you back that up with any data?

 

[Hotspur]

"It is unlikely that those from a poor socio-economic background are going to appreciate birdwatching "

can you back that up with any data?

Purely observational I'm afraid but very few birders seem to come from the poorest backgrounds.

 

[andy hood]

Blacktoft Sands

Got some great views of the Marsh Sandpiper yesterday afternoon, from the singleton hide, (lifer for me) also there where 2 Wood Sand, 2 Green Sand, Red ,Green and Spotted Shanks, Dunlin, Ruff's (2 where colour ringed) 5 Marsh Harrier in the air at the same time, 6 Little Egrets, 2 Yellow Wags, Lot of Hirundines late afternoon, 2 Spoonbills dropped in about half six

 

[BirdFlower]

Stop the bstd's breeding is the way forward. If you get caught wearing burberry and your income is less than 30K (or more if provided by the state) then forcible sterilisation is the way forward.

My income is considerably less than £30k, so I'm expecting to be lynched soon, but I've never worn burberry if I can use that in mitigation

 

[Chris-Leeds]

I don't even get 20K working for the NHS and the state it's in in Leeds I might never. They're taking more away from us all the time.

 

[Trystan]

Sorry to be a soft touch guardianista but I think that its attitudes like this that drive people away from appreciation of conservation. It is unlikely that those from a poor socio-economic background are going to appreciate birdwatching but education and openess help rather than the threat of violence or imprisonment (I'm talking petty crime not violent etc etc). Im not really sure its a new thing either as I remember hides being burnt down perennially all over the country. Safety & security measures seem like sensible precautions to prevent something like the recurring situation at Lin Dyke (which is next door to pit communities with high unemployment and low prospects). It is usually boredom and frustration that cause acts like this to be carried out. What needs to happen is a social empowerment structure (not nanny stating or handing out benefits). Easier said than done. I dont like nature reserves getting messed up as much as the next person but aside from revenge - what would violence solve/cause? I suggest it would lead to further recriminations and more burnt hides and reserves being used as scrambler tracks.

James

You dont need to be interested in bird watching and conservation to know that this kind of action is wrong. You will not change the attitude of this generation by being a soft touch, we are already doing that and it doesn't work.

The next generation being brought up by the above people will just result in passing the problem down to the next generation of decent people therefore:

Stop the bstd's breeding is the way forward.

IS the best solution.

 

[James Thomas]

Perhaps a scheme similar to Moorwatch could help other areas?

http://www.moorwatch.com/

 

[northernloon]

Mostly deleted due to socialist rant... Narrow the gap between rich and poor. Improve education and people's living environment. Stop wasting money on a redundant nuclear deterrent.

It's a sad indictment when there are people who are 3rd generation benefit claimants with no role models of working parents...

 

[Andrew Gibson]

Sorry to be a soft touch guardianista but I think that its attitudes like this that drive people away from appreciation of conservation. It is unlikely that those from a poor socio-economic background are going to appreciate birdwatching but education and openess help rather than the threat of violence or imprisonment (I'm talking petty crime not violent etc etc). Im not really sure its a new thing either as I remember hides being burnt down perennially all over the country. Safety & security measures seem like sensible precautions to prevent something like the recurring situation at Lin Dyke (which is next door to pit communities with high unemployment and low prospects). It is usually boredom and frustration that cause acts like this to be carried out. What needs to happen is a social empowerment structure (not nanny stating or handing out benefits). Easier said than done. I dont like nature reserves getting messed up as much as the next person but aside from revenge - what would violence solve/cause? I suggest it would lead to further recriminations and more burnt hides and reserves being used as scrambler tracks.

James

I read this and went out to build a wall but have now come in out the rain.
The wall is for the social scum and liberal do gooders to be lines up against. Get rid of the lot of them.
As others have said, we all know what is right and wrong and folk dont, do not waste time with them. I am not suggesting that people can not have different strong opinions but right is right.
Most people will not challenge offending behavior face to face but love to rattle on about it.
Take action and challenge bad behavior. This does not mean you have to be threatening, just point out the erroers of some ones action ie climbing a fence to see a bird. That one person will not be the only one to cross the fence and at some point it will go slack and need repair. Point out to people who drop litter.
Change has to start some where do not back away from it and make excuses for them.

Lets all not loose site that birding is for all and can be done at many levels and not cost a lot.

 

[Steve Lister]

Purely observational I'm afraid but very few birders seem to come from the poorest backgrounds.

Rubbish.

I came from a poor background and nearly all the birders that started at the same time as me, back in the seventies, were the same. We struggled to afford anything better than Dixon's binoculars and the few (two) rich birders stood out like a sore thumb- they have got Fairburn hides named after them now.

And 30k a year has always been way beyond my income.

Steve

 

[James Thomas]

Income has nothing to do with it, can point to plenty of examples of rich morons, Harry Wales?

Anyways sorting through some photos now I've got me PC back, thought I'd brighten the place up a bit. Spurn in May...

 

[James Thomas]

Some comparison shots, 3 April and 31 May

 

[Dint See It]

I went to wykeham a few weeks ago and got distant views of honey buzzard, i was told that it would be better after the young have fledged. Could any one give me a rough idea when this will be? I've got the beginning of august in my head for some reason!

 

[Keith Dickinson]

You are okay Mike, it wasn't the income rather the wearing of burberry. This definitely marks out the chavs around Fairburn Ings. That and kappa are their 2 favourite brand names.
I also should be careful when I type and read it before posting as I was actually intending it to be 3K... these cheap specs of mine are rubbish
Back on topic now...

Had a buzzard over Swillington on the way home tonight, quite low flying so got quite a good view coming up the A63 from the George roundabout.
Also coming back from Preston yesterday had a probable peregrine fly across the A59 close to Beamsley Beacon, not in view for long but much too dark grey and beefy for a kestrel.
Got to get the wife to drive sometimes, that'll give me more chance with birding on the move. Although it might not as I usually have my eyes covered when she's driving.

My income is considerably less than £30k, so I'm expecting to be lynched soon, but I've never worn burberry if I can use that in mitigation

 

[joespy]

Purely observational I'm afraid but very few birders seem to come from the poorest backgrounds.

Don't know what you're afraid of, maybe a lack of evidence to your outrageous stance could be one thing.
I'm not sure how you ended up down this avenue considering your initial well meant defence against the hangers and floggers.
As one from a low socio-economic background who enjoys Birding, and proud of it, I challenge you to defend your statement with facts and substance.
On a separate forum of course and not clog up this excellent forum with pretentious tosh.....:t:
Joe

 

[northernloon]

Hanging's too good for 'em. They should be made to sit in a classroom for 30 hours a week and learn stuff

 

[Keith Dickinson]

Let's put the socio-economic stuff to bed, we all agree that pillocks who burn hides and shoot birds are probably not nice people. We all know what to do with them.

Let's get back to birding,

please let it be dry tomorrow morning, I don't fancy seeing a marsh sand when I'm sodden.

 

[James Thomas]

Indeed, think I'll wait while Tuesday for a trip to Blacktoft, perhaps no Marsh Sandpiper but there'll be fewer people.

A couple of kites and a pecker...

 

[DOC REED]

Indeed, think I'll wait while Tuesday for a trip to Blacktoft, perhaps no Marsh Sandpiper but there'll be fewer people.

A couple of kites and a pecker...

ooooohhhh! Nice pecker Jim, well done! Thankfully , and unusually for me, have managed to stay free of current rants, though was 'on form' recently!!

Haven't seen Lesser around York for 4 years now, nice one!!

Paul