New Zeiss Victory SF !!!!!! (2 Viewers)

[Troubador]

I was just comparing the technical data between the HT and SF and noticed that the HT water resistance is at 500 mbar, but the SF is lower at 400mbar.

While I don't mean to suggest that anyone is actually going to need the extra resistance of the HT, but could it possibly indicate that the HT is a more robust structure than the SF? My 8x42 HT really does inspire confidence in its build quality, I'd be comfortable using it in any conditions.

Sandy

HI Sandy

On the Zeiss UK and Zeiss Germany websites both HT and SF are shown as 400 mbar. As far as I can see only the US website quotes 500 mbar for HT.

This not the first time there has been a mix-up on Zeiss website specs.

Lee

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

More Findings.

Now i am here in Riga Latvia and in a couple of days i will move to Pristina, Kosovo.

So i am using SF below zero, overcast leaded skies with heavy wind and snow.....for me as Spanish Guy lovely weather......

Only SF 8X42 With me not Ultravid or SV to compare better to travel with the minimum when you are working.

During this time and under this special light conditions i found the SF to be a fantastic bin, each time SF lights the view, the colors are as i already post True to Life, very precise, i can not observe any tint at all.

With this bin, second SF that i have, not hunting is needed to find the best focus, at any distance best focus is easy find,L or SV like, the view is very natural with colors not over boosted just like they are in real like under direct eye view.

But for me the best on this Zeisses is the 3D and Pop in the view, i dint found this on my ultravids, something estrange because at least Leica camera lenses are very famous for it.

It has some of the character that only can be found in the best porro bins, Dimension are up there in the view,objects are not compressed as in other bins or telephoto camera lens, is just the view closer with this extra 3D effect,in fact meets some of the features of the best porro designs in its view.

For me this 3D and huge FOV are the big advantages of SF..........The color, contrast, Kind of sharpness may differ between users,different tastes, as everyone have different setting on his FULL Hdtv.....nobody choose natural settings.....but if you set it when you get used you realice that it has to be like that, ask photographers..

Well time to time.......now i need a sunny day to be loose in the country side to go deeper and check flare, reflection etc etc......

AH so sorry i forgot to mention as expected under very overcast and leaded skies bin doesnt have any problems to keep contrast hight and no veiling glare, the stray light is very well suppressed.

Have a nice Day !!!!!

 

[james holdsworth]

Nice review but I still find it distressing that it took you 7 samples to find a good one!

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

Nice review but I still find it distressing that it took you 7 samples to find a good one!

Yeah !!!!!!

They have too many problems, a lot of new products on market at the same time, not enough time to give training to their workers for new models.

Last years i bought one of the first SLC 15X56 HD and first unit has a fingerprint behind the right ocular lens:C

But second unit was perfect.

 

[jan van daalen]

Yeah !!!!!!

They have too many problems, a lot of new products on market at the same time, not enough time to give training to their workers for new models.

Last years i bought one of the first SLC 15X56 HD and first unit has a fingerprint behind the right ocular lens:C

But second unit was perfect.

GT,

Thanks for the update.
It seems you are more open about the reasons of delay of the SF than I have heard so far from others.
The reasons for the delay/QC issues you mentioned, are these your impression or are these facts you know from the inside?

Jan

 

[GLOBETROTTER]

GT,

Thanks for the update.
It seems you are more open about the reasons of delay of the SF than I have heard so far from others.
The reasons for the delay/QC issues you mentioned, are these your impression or are these facts you know from the inside?

Jan

Common sense, huge delay and also a new female workforce, brand new workers for a such precision job !!!!

I remember something was written about this on 8/10X52 HT posts.

 

[AndyRB]

But even if there were new workers, isn't the final quality check a safety net for any production slippages? From my experience standards are set out by someone with knowledge and experience and the staff that perform the check and sign off the product are trained to work within those standards.

 

[jan van daalen]

Common sense, huge delay and also a new female workforce, brand new workers for a such precision job !!!!

I remember something was written about this on 8/10X52 HT posts.

OK, common sense and huge delay, but blaming it on new female workforce for such precision job on basis of remembering something on hear say?

GT, I do trust your assesments on the SF based on your experience!!

Jan

 

[ceasar]

Older u-tube videos of Swarovski binoculars being worked on in the factory show many female workers doing highly technical work on them. One can probably still find them on the internet.

Bob

 

[james holdsworth]

Still unacceptable, especially as the ''defects'' reported seem to include optical deficiencies.

For an alpha, QA should [at the very least] include a testing of resolution and proper alignment. Again, being an alpha, these standards should exceed what would be considered acceptable for products at a lower price point.

For any $2500 bin. to make it to market with issues with sharpness tells me there is a failure at it's most basic at the QA level. We heard much the same concerning the 54 mm HT's. This, to me, is completely unacceptable. The number of SF or HT's being produced is low, so intense and through testing should not be a problem. These are not Terra's, these are supposed to be some of the finest binoculars you can buy.

 

[brocknroller]

I out went birding with my 8x42 FL today. Lightweight, quick, brilliant view. After these some years it still knocks me out. I am trying, but it is hard to want something better. Maybe I'm not so into binoculars after all.
:gn:
Ron

He said 2,420 posts later.

We from the Modern School of Psychoanalysis call this a classic case of Denial.

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[jan van daalen]

Older u-tube videos of Swarovski binoculars being worked on in the factory show many female workers doing highly technical work on them. One can probably still find them on the internet.

Bob

It is no secret (and experience has proven to be so) that female are much more capable to keep their concentration on their job than us men!!
It is for this reason that Swaro/Zeiss/Leica employ much more women than men for this job.
In the old days we always could blame it on the cook

Jan

 

[brocknroller]

OK, common sense and huge delay, but blaming it on new female workforce for such precision job on basis of remembering something on hear say?

GT, I do trust your assesments on the SF based on your experience!!

Jan

Chosun should thank you for standing up for her gender (or at least she would if smilies were a gender). o:t::smoke::king:3:gh:

Hearsay aside, I'm reading Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind by Yuval Noah Harari, and he writes that geneticists have found that the European human genome contains 4% Neanderthal genes. Even stranger, true Nederlanders, i.e., those who are pure bread to at least 10 generations, have 20% Neanderthal genes!

In light of this interesting but perhaps not so surprising discovery, it makes sense that Nederlanders should change the name of their country from Nederland to Neanderland.

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[Renze de Vries]

Brock,

I've taken the hint, thank you

Renze

 

[NDhunter]

Brock:

This is a little off topic, but my wife is half Dutch, and she takes offense.:-O

Now, I better not tell her from whom our kids got their smarts from!

Now at over 2,400 posts, and even the Zeiss guys are getting edgy over
the spotty quality reported about the new Super-uber bin.

Jerry

 

[ceasar]

He said 2,420 posts later.

We from the Modern School of Psychoanalysis call this a classic case of Denial.

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Nonsense! He's bored with this thread by now (like many people) and made a ho hum comment.

 

[ceasar]

Chosun should thank you for standing up for her gender (or at least she would if smilies were a gender). o:t::smoke::king:3:gh:

Hearsay aside, I'm reading Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind by Yuval Noah Harari, and he writes that geneticists have found that the European human genome contains 4% Neanderthal genes. Even stranger, true Nederlanders, i.e., those who are pure bread to at least 10 generations, have 20% Neanderthal genes!

In light of this interesting but perhaps not so surprising discovery, it makes sense that Nederlanders should change the name of their country from Nederland to Neanderland.

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That probably explains my Dutch surname, deep set eyes, ability to brace binoculars just under my brow ridge, large hands and striking resemblance to Tom Selleck.

Bob

 

[etudiant]

Brock:

This is a little off topic, but my wife is half Dutch, and she takes offense.:-O

Now, I better not tell her from whom our kids got their smarts from!

Now at over 2,400 posts, and even the Zeiss guys are getting edgy over
the spotty quality reported about the new Super-uber bin.

Jerry

Neanderthals had substantially larger brains than H. Sapiens does.
So perhaps the Nederlanders have their smarts from a good source.

 

[brocknroller]

Brock,

I've taken the hint, thank you

Renze

:-O

 

[brocknroller]

Neanderthals had substantially larger brains than H. Sapiens does.
So perhaps the Nederlanders have their smarts from a good source.

Well, it appears that Harari might have been wrong about interspecies hanky panky going on exclusively between European Homo sapien men and Neanderthal women. According to this article, chances are, if you were a male Homo sapien living above the Sahara, you probably had a Neanderthal girlfriend at some point or another. Neanderthal women must have looked better than their skulls would suggest.

neanderthals-modern-human

Now back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

:gn: