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NEW Terra ED 32mm Under Armour Edition Binocular (1 Viewer)

Folks - I thought I would inflict my comments about the Terra ED 8x32 one more time, in hopes that I have not worn out my welcome. Many men, particularly when they grow older, enjoy telling stories and in doing so become garrulous. I'm one of those. Referencing me to Garrison Keillor of Prairie Home Companion fame as bird forum's own is flattering. Lake Woebegone is a fictional town in Minnesota, and Keillor has used that as a prop on his way to becoming famous and perhaps wealthy. Buffalo High was no fictional school, even though perhaps it should have been. But it was the site of many bizarre experiences in two years of my life.

Where else would a young lad working for his room and board on a cattle ranch trying to become a cowboy find a high school so tiny and bereft of academic challenges that no music, foreign languages, advanced anything were offered? Yet, during my senior year, a young man who had finished his military training and obligation as a First Lieutenant in the U.S. Army taught us English. He stayed but one year and later became Dept. Head for the English Department at Florida State University. Where else would a class mate get the same girl pregnant two years in a row and still marry her? Where else would we be allowed to shoot gophers on the school grounds with our .22 rifles during recess and after school? The only admonishment from our superintendent-principal-teacher was to make sure the little kids were safe. Where else would a full blood Blackfoot Indian educated in an Indian boarding school in Salem, Oregon, teach and coach in Buffalo for several years? I loved the man for the things he taught me that were not just academic. When he died 15 years ago, I went to his funeral held on the Blackfoot Indian Reservation to eulogize him. I was the only white man present besides a Catholic priest among the large gathering of Indian relatives and friends. Where else, perhaps even in the world, would three students break up a fist fight between the superintendent and two parents, one lying on the floor bleeding from the mouth and nose, and the other (who was the chairman of the board) strangling the superintendent who was on his back on top of his desk with his eyes bulging out? We had to tear them apart. I wrote a short story about that, titled, "When the students were the adults." You get the point. Where else? But at Buffalo High.


Enough of that. When I did my initial report on the Terra 8x32, I didn't have many comparable binoculars to use. A friend in White Suffering Springs, unbeknownst to me owned a Swarovski CL 8x30, and he loaned it to me the other day. I realize the Terra has more light gathering, but I thought comparing a 3rd tier binocular to an alpha would be interesting. Of course this is just one sample of each binocular. I'm not sure if there is a bell-shaped curve application to binoculars. But among the thousands produced, some must be turkeys and some jewels. I can't speak for these.

The CL 8x30 went through the same resolution test on the U.S. Air Force charts as before. The CL has slightly less FOV than the Terra but not really noticeable. The sweet spots were the same with the CL holding it resolution at the edges a wee bit better than the Terra. I could discern no difference in the sweet spots at all.
My color sense (highly subjective) is that the CL has warmer colors except in the red areas.

From the standpoint of dimension, the Terra is a half inch taller. Aesthetically, I prefer the Terra. The CL is what I call a petite binocular. Although the weights are essentially the same, I believe than many women with smaller hands would like the CL. Also, perhaps smaller faces. The IPD distance of the CL is slightly more than even the Terra. And considerably more than the Yosemite 6x30 designed for children, which makes me deduce the Swarovski people were targeting women.

The focusing knobs are quite different in diameter: the CL 22 mm, the Terra 32 MM, and the Yosemite a whopping 36 mm (probably to create leverage to focus the porro). The rotation of the CL is past one revolution I would estimate about 15 degrees. The Terra of course has 1.5 revolutions making its slower focusing. The Terra had smoother focusing. The CL had a few spots of hesitation as the knob was turned and required more finger pressure than the Terra.

The eye cups were significantly different in diameter: the CL 35 mm and the Terra 41 mm. How comfortable they would be in the eye socket is an individual matter to determine. And it is in the area of ergonomics that I believe many people will make their binocular decisions.

I put the CL and the Terra to the pre-sunrise and post sunset tests along with looks throughout the day. Of course in normal light, no differences were discernible. But in low light situations, the Terra was simply better.
Colors and details held together longer.

Of course the durability factor is an unknown. The CL has metal in the body. The Terra is fiberglass reinforced.

In conclusions which is the better binocular? I can only say that given a choice to pack one around, it would be the Terra but only for personal ergonomic reasons and the fact of $700 more money in my pocket.

John
 
Forgot to mention that the CL's close focus was about 9.75 feet. That was a surprise to me.The Terra's was just under 5 feet. Am curious if that is standard for the CL 8x30. The IPD mentioned in post 101 should be interpreted that the CL has the most distance (closed) and the least distance (fully opened) making it less versatile for users. The measurements were taken from the center of the exit pupils to reach that conclusion.

John
 
John, how do you think the Terra 8x32 would serve as a slightly more robust sibling for my Premier 10x25s? I love the 10x25, but I'm looking for a bit more field of view and light gathering for all day use...
 
John, how do you think the Terra 8x32 would serve as a slightly more robust sibling for my Premier 10x25s? I love the 10x25, but I'm looking for a bit more field of view and light gathering for all day use...


Let me jump in here since I have both of them although it never occurred to me to compare them.

For one thing you will notice the difference in the size of their eye cups as soon as you put them up to your eyes. The Terra's are much larger and much more comfortable for me to use. I know that from using them both.

On your 3 points it isn't close. The Terra is very robust. The little Nikon is tough but it doesn't have the armoring the Terra has. The Terra's FOV is about 100' larger at 1000 yards than the 10x25 or 394'@1000yds to 294'@1000 yards. Its exit pupil is 1.5mm larger. Because of this it will be brighter under low light conditions and also easier for you to use in difficult lighting conditions.

The Premier 10x25 is a very good binocular for a compact but it is asking a lot of it to compete with any decent 8x32.

Bob
 
Just how robust the Terra 8x32 is, only time will tell. For the price, guarantee, and features, I believe it will become one of Zeiss's better decisions. For the binocular connoisseur, it will fall short of course. But for the vast majority of birders who aren't ready or able to take the financial plunge, it should serve them well. My recommendation is this. Find one from a seller with return privileges, use it awhile, and see how it suits you.
You may come to like it. Eye placement is not fussy, and 8 power is plenty for birding. Its brightness in low light conditions is very good. Let me know what you decide.

John
 
Hi Bob - thanks for "jumping in." Now that you have a Terra 8x32, what is your take on it? Anxious to learn what kinds of comparisons you have made thus far.

John
 
Hi Bob - thanks for "jumping in." Now that you have a Terra 8x32, what is your take on it? Anxious to learn what kinds of comparisons you have made thus far.

John

I will be out with that soon, John. Hopefully today. I concur with most of your views.

I have compared it with my wife's 8x30 CL and I also want to do the same with my Kahles 8x32.

We get cloudy heavily overcast days here very often. I live in the center of the Anthracite Coal region and although that industry is nearly moribund (home owners long ago started heating their homes with oil and gas) on some of these overcast days it looks like there is still a pall of anthracite smoke hanging over our area.

I don't know if you get those same type of "gloomy" days out there on the High Plains of Montana? To me the CL had a brighter look to it on those days than the Terra did. I want to look into that a little more.

Bob
 
John

Thanks again for more tales from the backwoods starring the Terra and now Swaro CL.

One of these days I would like to do this comparison myself with Conquest 8x32 thrown in the mix.

Do you have anything similar to Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone bar called The Trackside Tap in your neighbourhood?

Lee
 
Lee - "Anything similar to Garrison Keillor's Lake Woebegone bar.....in your neighborhood"? Sure, five of them.
Before we get corrected by the spelling police, it is "Woebegon," not "Woebegone." Since there is a bird in my rambling about these watering holes (to avoid the heavy hand of censorship), I'll elaborate a bit.

Montana is a fairly large chunk of land. It covers more area than Great Britain and Ireland put together. Both countries have more people - about 66 million potential bird watchers compared to Montana which just passed the million mark.

Montana takes its alcohol dispensing process very seriously. The State has a monopoly on hard liquor. State liquor stores found in all 56 counties sell that particular beverage to the Trackside Taps and general population. Grocery stores, gas stations, etc., can sell wine and beer products. Micro breweries are the fad now. The state
doles out liquor licenses to private citizens as it wishes for a price. Depending upon location of the drinking establishment, some of these liquor licenses are worth big bucks, even fought over in divorce settlements, which lately here are called "dissolution's of marriage." The English language certainly is flexible.

Anyway, what do we call such places? A pub? A saloon? Montanans prefer the word "bar." Of course they all have names, usually very short and sometimes descriptive, but often not. Some of the names have permanency. Others do not. The Lane and Mint bars are original. The Bar 47 bar (forgive the apparent redundancy) had the name of Rainbow and then Dempsey's. But now it is called the Bar 47. Why?

When automobiles became licensed in Montana way back when, they were just numbered. But since Montanans are friendly folks, they wanted to know the home county of the owner. Montana then as now had fifty six counties. So it was decided to list the country by number. How to do that? Easy. Take the pragmatic approach. Determine the population of each county. The county with the greatest number is ranked first and so on. Meagher County, the site of White Sulphur Springs, ranked 47th in population at that time. So vehicles licensed in the county all have a 47 stuck on the license. The number if prefixed on most Montana plates.

The fact that the numbers of people over the years changed from county to county makes no difference. Whatever number originally assigned stays. Montanans don't object. It is where you are from, not how many neighbors you have that is important to know. White Sulphur by the way has around 900 people. Meagher County around 1,900 people.

In passing I need to mention the new proprietor of the renamed Bar 47 is also the elected county attorney.
And the Justice of the Peace, an elected official, owns a bar twenty miles away in the virtual ghost town of Ringling which was named after the Ringlings of circus fame. A few of us are curious how a DUI case in Meagher County will be handled, particularly if the source of that imbibed potion came from one of those bars.

On the edge of town sits the "Road House." It's original name was the"Golden Fleece." Its etymology is unknown. A mythological name from the Greeks and Jason"? Not likely. Meagher County once raised many sheep, so perhaps the wool was the gold. Then, it started to change names in this order. It was renamed as the "Cow Palace." That makes sense since cattle is the main industry here. Then it became "The Connection."
Just a whim of the new owner, perhaps. But "Road House"? That is a Montana name having its roots in the days of the Montana Vigilantes which proved when fifty odd bad guys were hanged, much crime in the Montana territory disappeared, not to mention the effect on the recidivism rate.

That brings me to the fifth bar called the "Stockman." Any town in Montana worth mentioning has a bar called the Stockman. Its name need no explanation. But the birding story I'm going to share needs one.

In eastern Montana is the town of Miles City named after one Nelson Miles, a Civil War general who was also considered an accomplished Indian fighter. Miles was part of America's "manifest destiny," the non-apologetic
words explaining the brutal treatment of native Americans, which were another way of saying, "It wasn't fair, but it happened, so let us just drop the matter and pretend what have today is legitimate."

Miles City has about 8,000 people, and in Montana that equates to many bars, with the local Stockman Bar probably the most notorious. Now for the bird story.

It was a hot day in the middle of August in the early afternoon. Shade being a premium, the local bars were dispensing cold ones. Into the Stockman Bar walks this old hag with a cage under her arm containing a little yellow canary which is merrily singing away. The bright light is piercing the smoke filled room which reveals some cowboys slumped in their chairs and a few perched on bar stools at the bar, which is one of those very long kinds of bars, dark and polished, the kind you could send a drink sliding for twenty feet before someone reaches out to stop it.

The old hag walked to the middle of the bar and set the cage on it. Meanwhile the canary kept singing away with the jute box in the background playing, "The girls all get prettier at closing time." The old hag yelled out to the bar tender to bring her a "double shot. He brought her one with a glass of water for chasing it, which was unnecessary. She tossed down the whiskey, wiped off her mouth off with the back of her hand and suddenly slammed down her fist, saying, "The first man who can guess the weight of my bird within an ounce, gets to spend the weekend with me."

Other than the jute box playing, the only other sound came from the canary. The cowboys looked at her and said nothing. She called out for another double shot, tossed it down and again slammed her fist on the bar, now saying, "The first man who can guess the weight of my bird within a pound, gets to spend the weekend with me." The silence was then broken when a drunk cowboy at the end of the bar tipped his hat back as a big grin came across his face, and he volunteered, "Lady, that bird must weigh at least 300 pounds." She replied immediately, "That's close enough."

See, I told you this was a bird story.

John
 
So... random curiosity continues to abound. Has anyone directly compared and commented on the Monarch 7 8x30 vs the Terra 8x32? I don't recall such, but I also didn't recall my repeat question about the LXLs... hahahaha.

The Monarch retail for 30-50 dollars more, but have a case and I think wider field? Other observations re: sharpness, sweet spot, focused, build?

And what are people's general thoughts re: 30 or 32mm for your "go-to" daily pair. I admit struggling a bit to consider this size, given my compact 10x25s -- I "know" that the 30-32 is bigger, but it just seems to my surface-level rational mind such a small leap ----- does this indeed make a notable, valuable difference? A part of me screams that I need to jump to a "full size" so as not to be redundant with my compacts... but is this the same siren that screams 10x vs 8x in my head sometimes??? (This is another question as I love the wide field of view but must admit to having realllly like the 10x42 M7s I tried last spring)...
 
John

Thanks for your garrulousness! Keep it coming!

And talking of spelling, over here the music machine is called a jukebox not jute which is a sort of rough material used for making sacks.

As for your bird story, its a great one even if the ending looms early in the telling, when you arrive at the punchline its still a hoot.

Keep 'em coming.

Lee
 
Lee - I can't proof my own writing. They are called jukeboxes in Montana, too. Spell check won't help, either.
My ramblings are usually done early in the morning - the result of insomnia. And my vision seems to wander looking at those tiny letters. Which suggests that I have no business giving advice, opinions, etc. on this web site since I am really becoming a fossil and only borderline informed. I'm at the age, however, where I can handle almost any kind of rejection. Living in a fool's paradise, I guess.

One topic I would like to see on Bird Forum, however, is for the users to tell their story on why and how they became a birder. I would like to read those stories because I believe they will be interesting, informative, and perhaps even entertaining. How to start that topic? Any ideas?

The other day I was thinking about the species to which we belong, and all the variations within that single one, and I wondered how many different bird species there are. Or were. And so I went to my cyber Britannica called Wikipedia for an update. According to one expert, a noted ornithologist named Ernst Mayr, (1946) there were about 8,600 known species. The latest count is 9,956 species. And we humans are so smug about our clamoring for worshiping diversity! Anymore for company, I prefer birds.

John
 
is for the users to tell their story on why and how they became a birder.

John, many years ago, too many, when i was 8 or 9, i climbed in the attic and poked where i shouldn't have. I found a pair of Zeiss 7x50 individual focus binoculars and photographs of my grandfather as a young man in uniform, as well as all sorts of medals and certificates. One of the certificates qualified him as expert rifleman and instructor.

The binoculars still had the original leather strap, with military markings, eagle, and serial or inventory number. It also had the left prism housing shattered and mangled, but the view through the right was crystal clear. I used that glass to watch doves, swallows, and sparrows in the yard, then i went outside the village to see skylarks, kestrels, ducks, eagles, rollers, bee eaters, and storks, then i left the one eyed glass back at grandfather's home and i got a decent pair of Jenoptems and went looking further still for lapwings, pipits, and rare cranes. When i started smoking and drinking with the old man he finally found the strength (helped by wine) to tell me about the contents of the chest and how the 7x50 was mangled by a Russian 7,62 bullet.
Years later, while wandering further still, i was on top of the only high point in a grassland that stretched as flat as your eye could see and as endless as your mind could imagine. There should have been birds there, and insects, and life of all sorts. But there was nothing but still and quiet. I scanned with my glasses and i spotted a crane a few hundred yards away. One single crane, in the evening light, at the end of summer, when cranes are usually found in small family groups. This one looked old and tired, and was alone. It became apparent that it also was looking at me. I was overcome by irrational loneliness and fear like never before and never since. The next day i returned to civilization and received a telegram that my grandfather had passed away the previous afternoon. It took me almost 2 weeks to get to his house. I found it empty. In a fit of anger and mental illness my mother had disposed of everything, including the shot-up Zeiss. But she did not know about the wood box in the attic and i found it and saved the documents in it. Many years later i realized that the place where i saw the lone crane and got news of my grandfather's passing must have been within a few miles of where the binoculars where shot.
I now use Swarovski binoculars and enjoy watching birds as much as i did as a kid. I also shoot old target rifles and hunt hoofed animals and take care of a little forest and prairie. I take young people shooting and hunting and bird watching and prairie burning and i tell them about 1,000 yard shots and old binoculars, if they buy me enough beer.


This being said, John, imagine being young and in love with one who shared your interest in birds and deer. Would you buy the Terra ED 8x32 as a gift for her, to keep forever?
 
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Lee - I can't proof my own writing. They are called jukeboxes in Montana, too. Spell check won't help, either.
My ramblings are usually done early in the morning - the result of insomnia. And my vision seems to wander looking at those tiny letters. Which suggests that I have no business giving advice, opinions, etc. on this web site since I am really becoming a fossil and only borderline informed. I'm at the age, however, where I can handle almost any kind of rejection. Living in a fool's paradise, I guess.

One topic I would like to see on Bird Forum, however, is for the users to tell their story on why and how they became a birder. I would like to read those stories because I believe they will be interesting, informative, and perhaps even entertaining. How to start that topic? Any ideas?

The other day I was thinking about the species to which we belong, and all the variations within that single one, and I wondered how many different bird species there are. Or were. And so I went to my cyber Britannica called Wikipedia for an update. According to one expert, a noted ornithologist named Ernst Mayr, (1946) there were about 8,600 known species. The latest count is 9,956 species. And we humans are so smug about our clamoring for worshiping diversity! Anymore for company, I prefer birds.

John

John

The trouble with spell-checkers is that they like proper words and don't realise when the word is inappropriate.
Key God as dog and spell-checkers are still happy.

The brief story of how I got into birding is now posted on the old thread John. It involves Oystercatchers and a girl-friend now my wife......

Lee
 
6.5 - Is this your moniker because you like the 6.5 mm bullet for hunting and target practicing?

I really enjoyed your story because it has many elements which I feel tie into the essence of being a birder. One is your understanding that there is a generational responsibility for the old to pass on to the young the importance of birds in everyone's life. My story of introduction to becoming a birder will be told on the thread that Bruce mentions in post #113 sometime, i.e., if I'm still alive.

The other day I received an email from a business selling binoculars telling me that I had won a new binocular for comments I had made on their website about a particular brand. I told them thank you and that it would be passed on to a youngster, boy or girl, who couldn't possibly afford a pair in hopes they would begin birding in their own way. I have been doing this for years now, targeting youngsters with unruly hair and grungy little fingers, the kind we call being kicked from pillar to post- every community has them if one will just look beyond their mixed drinks and lattes.

Regarding your question about being young and in love....... (haven't we all) and whether I would present my true love with a Terra? When I was in that state of bliss,(my wife and I were married by a JP) that suggests my economic level at that time was such I couldn't even afford anything that approached a Terra much less a diamond ring. It was a simple gold band. Today she uses a Leica. The conventional answer would be, I would buy her the best binocular we could afford at that time. There are worse binoculars out there than the Terra.

John
 
John, thank you for your answer. Yes, i like the 6.5 for hunting. Upon reading your comments again, i decided that the Terra would indeed be a nice gift.
 
I will be out with that soon, John. Hopefully today. I concur with most of your views.

I have compared it with my wife's 8x30 CL and I also want to do the same with my Kahles 8x32.

We get cloudy heavily overcast days here very often. I live in the center of the Anthracite Coal region and although that industry is nearly moribund (home owners long ago started heating their homes with oil and gas) on some of these overcast days it looks like there is still a pall of anthracite smoke hanging over our area.

I don't know if you get those same type of "gloomy" days out there on the High Plains of Montana? To me the CL had a brighter look to it on those days than the Terra did. I want to look into that a little more.

Bob


I have had the opportunity to use my 8x32 Terra ED in varied lighting conditions now so I have decided to give my thoughts on it.

As I noted above, we have had quite a few dark gloomy days lately and I've come to the conclusion that my 8x32 Terra ED isn't as bright as my wife's Swaro 8x30 CL or my Kahles 8x32. It may be because the Terra ED lacks FMC coatings? It could also have something to do with where its brightness graph peaks too. I note that in reasonably bright conditions I really can't tell much difference in brightness among them.

It seems to emphasize (if that it the right word for it) the stark, gloomy, grayish monochromatic color that the leafless branches and trunks on the trees in the woods in my back yard show at this time of year. I compared it with my 8x42 Terra ED which also showed this same stark, dark coloration. The CL and the Kahles and my Leica 8x42 Ultravid Blackline displayed brighter "coloration" of this basically monochromatic woods behind my house.

On another matter it does show more veiling glare than the others show when I look in the general direction of the morning sun while staying comfortably away from it. Baffling is probably better in the others. With the Terra ED's large eye cups I can control this pretty well by making certain my IPD is correct and I am "on axis" when I see it. I brace my binoculars up and under my eye brows when I use them and there is a certain position there that is most efficient which I have discovered becomes more important when the exit pupil of the binocular is smaller than 5mm.

Center field sharpness is excellent. The sweet spot is large enough, perhaps 60% then tapering off to the edge. The Leica and the CL are about 85% to 90% and the Kahles is about 75 to 80%.

It is very well made. The focus wheel is very smooth yet firm enough to stop precisely. It turns 540º or 1 and 1/2 turns. Useful closeup is about 1/2 turn. Infinity is at about 450º or 1 and 1/4 turn. You can measure this by using the "Designed by Zeiss" logo printed on the focus wheel.

The eye cups are very large and very comfortable. I like large eye cups because I brace them on and just under my eye brows. The eye relief is long which I also like because I can make minute adjustments on where I place them on my eye brows. The diopter wheel is firm and when set, stays set. And the center hinge, if anything, is a bit too tight. I expect it will loosen with use. I also like the ocular covers; they are large and loose enough to go on and come off easily.

I use an old 32mm Eagle Optics binocular case and strap I got from my old EO 6x32. It fits with room to spare.

It is an excellent binocular for its price.

Bob
 
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