Victory FL or Ultravid (non-HD) (1 Viewer)

[email protected] said:

Yes. But if you gave a Zeiss 8x42 FL, a Swarovski 8.5 x42 EL, and a Leica Ultravid HD 8x42 to 100 people and asked them which one they preferred I would bet 80% would prefer the Zeiss. This has been confirmed again and again in all these reviews. The MAJORITY of the people thought the Zeiss FL had the best view. So the odds are that you would too!

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John M Robinson said:

Dennis, isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? I've read most if not all of the reviews that you speak of and I haven't got the impression that Zeiss is that superior to the other alphas, actually some reviews prefer Leica over Zeiss, and folks that vote with their dollars prefer Swaro over both. Our local sports store carries all three alphas and he sells Swaro 2:1 to Leica with Zeiss in third place. Now most hunters don't care about CA which is a strong point of the Zeiss and to a lesser degree Leica HDs, but that just goes to my point about different individuals putting greater emphasis on different attributes.

Now I know from reading your post over the years, that you are very knowledgeable and experienced about high end optics, but you seem to fall in love with a certain binocular and then turn into a zealot in believing that one binocular is the hand's down best in the world, and you just can't believe other equally qualified users can come to a different conclusion. I remember a "Leica is best, forget the rest" thread". You did post a remark a little while ago where you advised a guy that if he picked any one of the top three or four he would be happy, I agree with that sentiment. I'm only bringing this up because I was worried that Motts could take you literaly and buy the Zeiss sight unseen without comparing with his own eyes. Maybe Zeiss is best for him, maybe it isn't.

Respectfully,
John

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stephen b said:

From [email protected]:



We all know that you like what you like, but.... A lot of other people have their own personal preferences, and a lot of those like Swarovski and they are not just hunters. ( by the way -hunters are not stupid gullible people who fall for what is advertised). I know a lot of birders really like the Swarovski and a # of them know what they are talking about about as far as quality.

As a matter of fact I know of AT LEAST 3 (and I am sure there are more) of the main sales people that work at Eagle Optics not only own Swarovski, but use them as their main bino. These people have worked there for years and look thru bino's all the time. They could buy any bino they wish. I sure that they are not just falling for the ADs. I know of 2 of them that are also going to get the new Swaro's when they come out.

So use what ever you like, but don't belittle others as far (hunters and others etc.) - as being gullible to Ads or falling for a "status symbol". Or saying that hunters "don't even know that Zeiss makes binoculars" Frankly that is ignorant and insulting. I would bet that the majority of the sales of the Trinovids in the past were bought by hunters.

Motts- I am really sorry about commenting about Swarovski when your thread was asking about Zeiss, but frankly I was a little upset about the above comment. I have seen this guys postings for a while about his beloved chosen Bino's and making his comments about others esp. the Swaro's and I have grown tired of them. This time I could not help myself when he made comments insulting others concerning "status" buying; and people's ignorance concerning not being in the know concerning a brand of bino.

All of these are great bino's. And isn't it great (or a curse) that we live in a world with free will and so many choices. So choose what you like and honor other people for the choices they make and their right to do so.

It sure would be boring if we were all alike and or only had 1 or 2 choices

Just my 2c.

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John M Robinson said:

Dennis, isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? I've read most if not all of the reviews that you speak of and I haven't got the impression that Zeiss is that superior to the other alphas, actually some reviews prefer Leica over Zeiss, and folks that vote with their dollars prefer Swaro over both. Our local sports store carries all three alphas and he sells Swaro 2:1 to Leica with Zeiss in third place. Now most hunters don't care about CA which is a strong point of the Zeiss and to a lesser degree Leica HDs, but that just goes to my point about different individuals putting greater emphasis on different attributes.

Now I know from reading your post over the years, that you are very knowledgeable and experienced about high end optics, but you seem to fall in love with a certain binocular and then turn into a zealot in believing that one binocular is the hand's down best in the world, and you just can't believe other equally qualified users can come to a different conclusion. I remember a "Leica is best, forget the rest" thread". You did post a remark a little while ago where you advised a guy that if he picked any one of the top three or four he would be happy, I agree with that sentiment. I'm only bringing this up because I was worried that Motts could take you literaly and buy the Zeiss sight unseen without comparing with his own eyes. Maybe Zeiss is best for him, maybe it isn't.

Respectfully,
John

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[email protected] said:

"...... Alot of the people buying them do so with a preconceived notion that they are the best and I really think they perceive them as a status symbol like having a Browning shotgun. I think advertising has alot to do with it."

"The salesmen at Eagles Optics probably get Swarovski for cost that's why they use them. I hate Swarovski's because they monopolize the crystal industry and those are way overpriced too."

"I might look at the new Swarovision when it comes out. It will be along time though before you will get any discount on those babies."

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1. * So....you do really think that people are buying these and throwing their hard earn cash because they are gullible and/or into the "status" of them??

2. *And....the only reason sales people at Eagle optics use Swarovski is because they get them for cost?? Oh Come on!!

3. *And ....you now show your true feelings about Swarovski (" I hate Swarovski ")

??So why would you spend your money on a company that you hate?-- (" I might look at the new Swarovision when it comes out. It will be along time though before you will get any discount on those babies.")

4. Quote from Dennis: ...."I am just trying to save him all the time it took me to come to the realization of what I think is the best binocular on the market."
....According to Dennis

5. Quote from Dennis: "I would not buy an EL right now I would wait for the new Swarovision if I was in the market for a new binocular now."

Why? I thought you hated Swarovski.

6. From Dennis: "That is my opinion. He asked for opinions."

++Yes we are all entitled to our opinions.

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