New bin, EL10x50SV (2 Viewers)

Pileatus said:

I compared a 10X50SV with a 12X50 SV side-by-side over a period of three days in daylight. The only difference was magnification. Unless two bins are compared at the same time, under the same conditions conclusions are suspect. Memory is not what we think it is. At least that's what I remember.

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Everyone's experience level differs but, out of the box, the 10X50 SV was one of the "easiest on the eyes" I've used. Eye placement was effortless and the FOV with eyeglasses was/is excellent.

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Sanjay Naithani said:

I agree that it has to be side by side comparison. Did you look for color. Only in comparative sense, I found 10*50 little washed out compared to 12*50. I clearly remember 12*50 image. However the only variable could be two different days and condition.

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Vespobuteo said:

perhaps you have super natural color vision memory,
and "absolute pitch" but for colors?
:smoke:

(Myself not even remembering what colors of the socks I put on this morning, hmmm, now I see, one red and one blue...)

I think the solution for you is to take some relaxing pills or tea,
an accept that you now are the owner of the worlds best binoculars,
BAS (binocular anxiety syndrome) can be painful (just look at Dennis..) , but therapy helps, and there are online forums for that, Optics talk for example
3

PS. Those 10x42 swaros you are dreaming about is like looking through a pair of paper rolls in comparison to the 10x50 SV…

:t:

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Theo98 said:

Sanjay...The EL 10x50 SV Will Be identical in form and handling as the 12x50...However, the 10x50 does offer a Wider FOV, a Brighter Image that will assist in very low light situations and be easier to control Bino Shakes due their lower power...Ted

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Sanjay Naithani said:

I think color,contrast & sharpness was little suppressed because of brightness...In short I found 12*50 view crystal clear, saturated colors and the punch. This was suppressed in 10*50 SV as I could find more whiteness in image. To me 12*50 was the view I liked.
Sanjay

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Theo98 said:

Sanjay,

I understand what you see, as I Initially thought the 10x50 SV "brightness" was overshadowing color "pop" and contrast. But after much use, came to realize with the bigger 50mm objectives at 10x power, resolution and details under overcast skies, shadowy views and extreme low light situations "really popped" with Natural contrast, color and resolution!

Direct comparisons between the 10x42SV and 10x50SV inside a big optics store and outside in bright sunlight did display a more saturated color bias (pop) with the 10x42's, but I eventually decided the 10x50's color presentation was more Natural, as is my normal non-optical induced vision. To my eyes, I find the 10x50's neither punchy or washed out, but presenting all views (bright daylight-low light-dusk-dawn) in their natural visual state with accrate colors, excellent contrast and detailed resolution! For me overall, their superb DOF and wide FOV along with their natural visual presentation is what makes the 10x50's "Come Alive"! :eek!:

I've not seen or glassed with the 12x50's, but imagine they are just as you described. Only you can decide if their view characteristics (or maybe the 10x42's SV's) really are the optics you want long term. However, you have the 10x50 SV's in your hands and I'd suggest to take this opportunity glassing in as many places, situations and lighting conditions to determine if they could be "keepers" for You also!

Good Luck with your enduring quest! :t:

Ted

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BruceH said:

Here is what Swarovsik USA states in writing on their web site:

SWAROVSKI OPTIK offers a lifetime warranty on the optical system of our products for products purchased by US residents from an authorized SWAROVSKI OPTIK North American dealer. Once examined, if it is determined that the optical system is defective we will repair or replace the instrument or defective part. SWAROVSKI OPTIK warrants all other parts of the instrument for ten years from date of purchase against defects in materials or workmanship, subject to normal use.

http://aa.swarovskioptik.com/download/pdf/en_US/Warranty_US.pdf

I suspect the warranty in the box that you describe is from the Swarovski parent company and then Swaro USA supplements that. You might give Swaro USA a call to get actual the explanation.

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SuperDuty said:

I spoke to a representative at Swarovski last week to check on the authenticity of a vendor and was told that purchase from an authorized dealer is no longer required to obtain warranty. He said to call them with the SN, and as long as they aren't grey market or stolen, you can buy them from anyone and still obtain the full warranty.

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typo said:

I suspect this is most likely due to something like batch differences in lens coating rather than a specific models always being bluer than another.

To my mind different colour balances suite different light conditions, but I have seen some Swarovski samples where I would consider the levels of blue too strong for general use.

David

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stephen b said:

Concerning the 10 year warranty period that is written on the Swaro info handbook- I asked SONA about that last year; and the person I spoke with said it is lifetime warranty in U.S. Then the person I spoke with put me on hold as they wanted to clarify with someone else is CS. Then when he got back on the phone, he explained that Swarovski prints out the one info book for everywhere ( one reason why they have different languages printed in them); and Swarovski does not print out a different book for US. Which makes total sense to me.

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I must be the only one here who is too dumb to figure out just what Sanjay's problem is.

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Vespobuteo said:

that seems a bit strange, any batch differences would even out, since there are so many lens surfaces with coatings in a binocular,

but getting "blue screen" with your swaros does not sound cool….or warm, rather..
:-O

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pesto said:

Apparently he never used bins before and expected his first bins would show the world the way we see it with our eyes, only bigger; but not even Swaro's can do that. It's impressive that he has chosen the SV 10x50 as his first bins....straight to the top!

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pesto said:

Apparently he never used bins before and expected his first bins would show the world the way we see it with our eyes, only bigger; but not even Swaro's can do that. It's impressive that he has chosen the SV 10x50 as his first bins....straight to the top!

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typo said:

All I can say is when working my way round the multiple samples of the various models on a show stand, differences are obvious. I don't know how those differences arise but I've seen photos of vacuum deposition cambers with several layers of lens trays. Is it possible that Swarovski would, or could coat a whole set in one go? Even a subset might account for the variation. Who knows?

David

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Vespobuteo said:

I hope you have seen different generations of coatings,
or just been unlucky with bad demo samples...:-C

personally I just get dizzy when I try to compare color rendition,
It's a bit like listening to hi-fi cables, but then you at least can do blind testing,
blind testing bins is so much harder….
:-O

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Maljunulo said:

Have someone else put them up to your eyes, and keep your eyes closed until the glasses are in place?

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Maljunulo said:

Have someone else put them up to your eyes, and keep your eyes closed until the glasses are in place?

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