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Sunday 27th November 2005, 12:04
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Another Pipit ID please
Observed this Pipit today on the banks of the Jehlum in Kashmir.
http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/.../unknown60.jpg ID Help please. Thanks. BTW : The pipits expected in Kashmir according to "Birds of North India" by Grimmettt & Inskipp would be: Paddyfield Pipit Long-billed Pipit Upland Pipit Tree Pipit Olive-backed Pipit Red-throated Pipit Rosy Pipit Water Pipit |
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Sunday 27th November 2005, 12:07
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looks more like wagtail to me
poss Citrine with those wing bars and overall grey cast any more pix? |
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Sunday 27th November 2005, 14:08
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I'm a little confused here. Poor quality accepted but the bird in the photo has a brownish look on my laptop esp. the wings. Slightly overexposed maybe due to the afternoon sun but quite approximate to the birds' actual colour. Maybe I'm having color calibration problems. I dont have any more images either.
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Monday 28th November 2005, 07:01
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My first thought was Water Pipit - but I completely can see where Tim is coming from. Its funny in my notes on the only Citrine I've seen, it says, looks strangely like a Water Pipit!
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Monday 28th November 2005, 07:09
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I'll go with with Tim on this and will add Yellow Wagtail to the list. This looks very like a 1st winter M.f. beema.
Cheers! sumit |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 09:44
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Are we looking at the same picture? It looks like a water pipit to me! Look at the first water pipit pic in Oriental Bird Images - a dead ringer.
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Monday 28th November 2005, 09:57
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Monday 28th November 2005, 10:56
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My first WAgtail-piPIT hybrid? :-) Just kidding.... I'm quite sure its a pipit. |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 16:33
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first impression was certainly water pipit for me.
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:13
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is it standing in a river/stream?
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:30
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Does Water Pipit wade or shy away from wading?..serious question. John. |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:31
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They are happy in water John
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:41
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Citrine Wag for me. I would have thought that even the brightest Water Pipit wouldn't show wing bars that wide.
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:44
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What about eastern ones Darrell?
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:49
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those bars are huge... |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 20:56
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cit wag for me also
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:18
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Is that a flank stripe - and where are the tertial fringes?
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:32
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dark lores look good for a cit wag though....
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:36
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Trying to find a pic of winter blakistoni wapit... and failing! They are pale and nealy unmarked. I've seen one that is so like this bird it could be twins - just can't find it now!
Not disputing too hard - just keeping the debate open.. I can't get past the fact this bird has the somewhat intangible feel of a Wapit! The daft thing is that this would take about a pico second in the field!
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:38
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It would only be because of a certain angle, a certain light effect, and the fact that we are looking at one image, that could make up for such a dark lore on a Citrine.
I think the wide looking whitish greater covert tips are made visible due to wind blown lesser coverts. Yes Jane, is that a flank stripe? I also wonder, and I would certainly want to see at least some more of them to be a WaterP, not necessarily that sharply black though. JanJ |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:41
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sorry people
lores okay for yellow rather than wapit i noticed a slight pale buffy wash at work on a different screen too |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:43
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http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/bi..._Image_ID=2492 JanJ |
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:44
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Monday 28th November 2005, 21:45
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Perhaps it was a wrongly labelled japonicus... in fact I thnk its was.... off for another look!
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