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Old Sunday 27th November 2005, 12:04   #1
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Another Pipit ID please

Observed this Pipit today on the banks of the Jehlum in Kashmir.

http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/.../unknown60.jpg

ID Help please. Thanks.

BTW : The pipits expected in Kashmir according to "Birds of North India" by Grimmettt & Inskipp would be:

Paddyfield Pipit
Long-billed Pipit
Upland Pipit
Tree Pipit
Olive-backed Pipit
Red-throated Pipit
Rosy Pipit
Water Pipit
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Old Sunday 27th November 2005, 12:07   #2
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looks more like wagtail to me

poss Citrine with those wing bars and overall grey cast

any more pix?
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Old Sunday 27th November 2005, 14:08   #3
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I'm a little confused here. Poor quality accepted but the bird in the photo has a brownish look on my laptop esp. the wings. Slightly overexposed maybe due to the afternoon sun but quite approximate to the birds' actual colour. Maybe I'm having color calibration problems. I dont have any more images either.
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My first thought was Water Pipit - but I completely can see where Tim is coming from. Its funny in my notes on the only Citrine I've seen, it says, looks strangely like a Water Pipit!
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 07:09   #5
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I'll go with with Tim on this and will add Yellow Wagtail to the list. This looks very like a 1st winter M.f. beema.
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Are we looking at the same picture? It looks like a water pipit to me! Look at the first water pipit pic in Oriental Bird Images - a dead ringer.

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Are we looking at the same picture? It looks like a water pipit to me! Look at the first water pipit pic in Oriental Bird Images - a dead ringer.

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The malar stripe is the biggest clue that its a Wapit - it does look ever so Wag-like though
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The malar stripe is the biggest clue that its a Wapit - it does look ever so Wag-like though
Wow a Wapit !
My first WAgtail-piPIT hybrid? :-)
Just kidding....

I'm quite sure its a pipit.
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 16:33   #9
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first impression was certainly water pipit for me.
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 17:36   #10
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Completely stunted. Doesn't really look like a Wapit....
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 20:13   #11
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is it standing in a river/stream?
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 20:30   #12
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is it standing in a river/stream?
Tim, This bird is standing in water..well it is on my screen.

Does Water Pipit wade or shy away from wading?..serious question.

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They are happy in water John
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 20:41   #14
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Citrine Wag for me. I would have thought that even the brightest Water Pipit wouldn't show wing bars that wide.

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What about eastern ones Darrell?
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Old Monday 28th November 2005, 20:49   #16
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What about eastern ones Darrell?
nothing like really Jane

those bars are huge...
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cit wag for me also
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Is that a flank stripe - and where are the tertial fringes?
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dark lores look good for a cit wag though....
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Trying to find a pic of winter blakistoni wapit... and failing! They are pale and nealy unmarked. I've seen one that is so like this bird it could be twins - just can't find it now!


Not disputing too hard - just keeping the debate open.. I can't get past the fact this bird has the somewhat intangible feel of a Wapit!

The daft thing is that this would take about a pico second in the field!
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It would only be because of a certain angle, a certain light effect, and the fact that we are looking at one image, that could make up for such a dark lore on a Citrine.
I think the wide looking whitish greater covert tips are made visible due to wind blown lesser coverts. Yes Jane, is that a flank stripe? I also wonder, and I would certainly want to see at least some more of them to be a WaterP, not necessarily that sharply black though.
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sorry people

lores okay for yellow rather than wapit

i noticed a slight pale buffy wash at work on a different screen too
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Trying to find a pic of winter blakistoni wapit... and failing! They are pale and nealy unmarked. I've seen one that is so like this bird it could be twins - just can't find it now!


Not disputing too hard - just keeping the debate open.. I can't get past the fact this bird has the somewhat intangible feel of a Wapit!

The daft thing is that this would take about a pico second in the field!
I suppose you don´t mean these do you.
http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/bi..._Image_ID=2492
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lores okay for yellow rather than wapit

i noticed a slight pale buffy wash at work on a different screen too
Yellow Wag with a flank stripe????
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No Jan - I've seen one standing in water with huge white wing bars... that or I dreamt it! It was when I was looking for info on Darrel's Pipit!

Perhaps it was a wrongly labelled japonicus... in fact I thnk its was.... off for another look!
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