I wondered about grey-rumped swallow but I think we can see the rump's not grey. I got the impression that the upper may have blue (i.e. not just brown) in them as per a young bird. There's also the suggestion of white "windows" in the tail. If so, that might imply rock martin despite the white underparts. So unsure
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Why did you post this image Tom? Looks nothing like the OP, does it?White breast and darker belly is ok for Rock, buff line above lores is present in juveniles (and will bleach or become white as photo artefact)
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these cute litlle guys were just under the thatch of the visitor centre where they were born, still with the white gape
It shows the pale fore-supercilium and dark lore: same pattern as in the OP's photo, if different intensity.
In my guide, none of the other species show anything like, this feature, not even slightly?
This is one where there are probably multiple species. The northern group (pale crag Martin) can look very white beneath like the bird here. I didn't see ebird images with white supralorals like these but some have buffy ones. If you went through the pics more systematically you probably would find one. So Rock Martin for me
Orange-buff (compare with a passing snowflake). The only white is what might be the spot in the tail.
Mentally taking into account the fact the whole image is too red: the wall should be white(ish).
Perhaps very slightly but that's certainly not clear: the sacking behind the bird looks whiter than the wall, so the wall is presumably slightly buffy in reality (and there's no reason to think it's white). Hence any reddish cast on the bird's pale areas must be slight or nil.
Rock Martin, shouldn't have any white areas?
Not sure of your point. I didn't say it does have any (we're both excluding the white in the tail of course).
Me too (though the spot does appear whiter than most of the sacking). I referenced it for completeness because someone else had proposed it (see much further above).
I'm referring to the opbviously paler, almost white, throat on the OP compared to the link Tom sent of juvs and the pic I sent of an adult. Rock Martin should be uniformly, warm underneath.
Some are really pale below, my post were juveniles which are almost orange but show this little supraloral eyebrow
My own opinion as I've already stated, is that neither mine nor Toms shots, compare with the OP.
No photo in this thread shows a bird with an 'almost white' throat. Again, apply the snowflake test.
Your photo isn't: throat, upper chest and lower chest/belly form three distinct zones, and the lowest zone is quite mucky (as in all the photos posted/linked here).
Disagree. For the underparts, the pattern is the same in all posted/linked photos, and the differences between them lie only in intensity of the orangey, which may simply be a photo or lighting effect. There's no mystery or inconsistency here.
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