JerryLogan
Well-known member
Perhaps we're getting to the point where the reason for the hunting discussion ban is becoming obvious.
Perhaps we're getting to the point where the reason for the hunting discussion ban is becoming obvious.
To me recreational hunters are psychopaths and part of a bygone era. They seem unable to evolve compassion for 'lesser' creatures as most of the rest of us do. There are proven links between hunting, child abuse and domestic abuse because the perpetrators strive for the same feeling of power over their victims and get off on the sense of suffering they witness.
This is not what I come here to read. I come here to read about and learn about optics.
Spare us your "opinion" which is just that, not fact.
.......To me recreational hunters are psychopaths and part of a bygone era. They seem unable to evolve compassion for 'lesser' creatures as most of the rest of us do. There are proven links between hunting, child abuse and domestic abuse because the perpetrators strive for the same feeling of power over their victims and get off on the sense of suffering they witness.
This is not what I come here to read. I come here to read about and learn about optics.
Spare us your "opinion" which is just that, not fact.
It worth reminding that this thread, posted by John, was not to discuss hunting - it was a simple post offering a link to information that some persons might find interesting. Nowhere did John suggest all should take account of the information, nor did he pass any judgement on hunting.
It would seem that quite a lot of persons have taken objection to a post that offers information to persons that hold different opinions to them. This is an issue that, for me, is nothing to do with hunting per se, but to respecting that this is a forum with many members who will be interested in such information.
There are proven links between hunting, child abuse and domestic abuse because the perpetrators strive for the same feeling of power over their victims and get off on the sense of suffering they witness.
As a lifelong vegetarian, I expect I am exactly the sort of person to whom a report on "ethical optics manufacturers" is aimed.
Truthfully though, it would not bother me one iota if the company I bought my next binoculars or scope from was also a manufacturer of optics for field sports. Indeed, it is probably better that hunters have good quality optical equipment available, as it increases the chances of them making a clean kill.
Quite frankly, what other people do is their business. So long as they remain within the law and do not damage the ecology, it is of no concern to me.
I must say though, I am rather sceptical of the motivation for reports like this, and I suspect it is more about assisting folk in salving their consciences. I would bet a considerable amount of money that most of the folk making purchases of "ethical optics" have no problem utilising the products of industrial farming, which I would humbly suggest is a greater evil than sustainable hunting.
I think it's an excellent idea and have already taken note. I appreciate there are sometimes legitimate reasons for hunting but personally I think these are few and far between. Hunting for food is fine if you have to but wanting to kill it yourself I think is profoundly disturbing, even if the death is more humane than that which might take place in a slaughterhouse. What makes people take pleasure in such extreme violent acts? If you watch ancient tribes hunt out of necessity they seem to show respect for the creatures and feel almost bad for doing it. In western society hunters choose hunting for the kick they get out of it.
As for population control, half of this is probably debatable (look at the mountain hare culling that goes on on Scottish grouse moors; you can call most animals pests and find some half-baked evidence to justify it if you really want to), and the other half pales into insignificance compared to the recreational hunting industry
To me recreational hunters are psychopaths and part of a bygone era. They seem unable to evolve compassion for 'lesser' creatures as most of the rest of us do. There are proven links between hunting, child abuse and domestic abuse because the perpetrators strive for the same feeling of power over their victims and get off on the sense of suffering they witness.
We have had several complaints already to admin about this thread but TBH I am at a total loss as what to do with it. 9/10 I would lock it off as we have a policy about hunting being discussed on the bird forums,strangely in this case, I am wondering if we shouldn't let it run its course and let folk air opinions on the thread topic i.e. ethical binocular companies. Personally I'm against killing anything but I did as a younger man and regret three pointless empty kills to this day, and I ask myself sometimes what right I had to to to it.
Anyway moving on from my own guilt surely all the major companies have a sports optic section with incorporates hunting?
Happy to close this thread if it gets out of hand or people become more abusive than normal but lets see how it goes at the moment, keeping it open may be the wrong decision but maybe once in a while the hunting fraternity should have a say on the forum.
over to you?
The death penalty?For those that yap about hunters, what do you think should be done about the hundreds of horrific acts of violence that animals inflict on one another every day ?http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...B9768E8BD071728FEA7FB9768E8BD071728&FORM=VIRE
That's a fair point. A great many years ago I was in Omaha, NE and a good friend was associated with a local reserve (Fontenelle Forest) which had a major 'bambi problem' and was more-or-less being eaten out of house and home. The decision to allow carefully managed hunting to control deer population densities was a matter of some local controversy (including some, shall we say, "worryingly robust" and typically anonymous correspondence and calls to my friend). It did, however, meet it's objectives:All I'll say to those who are against hunting and argue its merits for population control is to look at imagery from the property I manage (a reservoir w/ legal hunting) vs. imagery of most state parks that do not allow hunting!
That's a fair point. A great many years ago I was in Omaha, NE and a good friend was associated with a local reserve (Fontenelle Forest) which had a major 'bambi problem' and was more-or-less being eaten out of house and home. The decision to allow carefully managed hunting to control deer population densities was a matter of some local controversy (including some, shall we say, "worryingly robust" and typically anonymous correspondence and calls to my friend). It did, however, meet it's objectives:
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2360&context=icwdm_usdanwrc
...Mike