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[lou salomon]

hi geoff, it looks more like 1st summer (2cy) to me, pale ind. occure in argenteus too but it might be an argentatus, impossible to tell.

 

[tittletattler]

Hi Lou et al,

Would you mind casting your eyes over these 3 birds and seeing if you agree with my ID for each.

http://www.kentos.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2412&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

http://www.kentos.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2409&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

http://www.kentos.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2345&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Thanks in advance,

Andy.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

I'm not sure about No.1, but, IMHO, No.2 and No.3 look good for Yellow-legged Gulls.

 

[lou salomon]

1 yes (note amount of 2nd gen coverts)
2 unsure, it could also be a polish gal/girl
3 yes - but how come that scaps are so fresh?

 

[tittletattler]

2 unsure, it could also be a polish gal/girl

Thanks chaps.

Polish girl? Yes, I see what you mean. I hadn't even considered it! I'll dig out some more pics. In the flesh, it seemed to have the structure of a YLG.

Yes, the first bird does have some 2nd gen coverts. I should really ask for my comment to be editted.

3rd bird's scapulars: dont know. I'll have a closer look and have a read up...

Thanks again,

Andy.

 

[tittletattler]

Hi,

4 more pics of gull 2 attached.

It's amazing how much its profile can change (comapre 1 & 3 to 2 & 4).

Still a YLG in my opinion based on head and bill shape. Eye is not high on the head.

Cheers,

Andy.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Indeed, it looks good for michahellis.

 

[lou salomon]

well, let's say structure, esp. bill looks wrong for cach x tatus. stronge is though its retardedness - some lower scaps missing but not replaced, no visible coverts replaced (but they look very worn).
might well be a mich though. do you think any argentatus could look like this, andy?

 

[Cristian Mihai]

If an argentatus could look like this, gulling sucks!

 

[tittletattler]

If an argentatus could look like this, gulling sucks!

I'm not really seeing Argentatus in this bird (or Argenteus). Bill looks OK (stout, short & rectangular) and the wing coverts show no signs of vermiculations throughout and also note the reddish-brown tinge to them too. In flight this bird was longer winged than the accompanying Herrings and the tail was nice and clean except the black tail band. Does leg colour help?

The 3rd generation scapulars are a darkish grey and the 2nd generation scapulars show that this bird had the typically weaker tranverse bars (double headed anchors) compared to Herring Gull even though they are worn.

But could Argentatus look this way? Perhaps, but on balance I can't see too much wrong with this bird as a Mich. But there are plenty of worn birds out there at the moment and it's more difficult picking out the Michs from the Argies.

Cheers,

Andy.

 

[lou salomon]

it is a retarded mich.

retarded mich: have a look back to this discussion of a bird from the winter 09/10: http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=546

that is a really retarded one...

 

[ekopa]

Hi,

Just want to reconfirm. Are there anything else than HG? Esp. the one on a separate pic. And the rightmost bird as well on the group one
March Moscow photos.

Thanks
Aleksey

 

[lou salomon]

hi aleksej,

the right three birds are all caspian gulls or at least in their close relativehood (hybrids, barabensis mix?).
the adult bird (also in the extra pic) looks to have a large p9 mirror, there's a nice big bump behind its yellowish legs, the upright posture and a male cachinnans bill.
the rightmost bird looks to be a 4cy (3rd cycle) cachinnans on plumage.
finally the 2cy between them has a greater coevrts pattern that i strongly associate with cachi.
the three other 2cy all look to be argentatus.

cheers

 

[snowcap]

Hi folks, I`ve tried the usual methods of recovering data on this ringed ( yellow, "2F2B")Herring Gull but to no avail. Do any of the Gull addicts on here have any thought as to where this bird was ringed? It was in NW England recently.

cheers, PeteView attachment 319286

 

[Cristian Mihai]

I will post your question on Gull Research forum, Pete. Are you also registered there?

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Here is the topic:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=548

Now will have to wait...

 

[snowcap]

Thanks for this Cristian!

cheers, Pete.

 

[tittletattler]

Thanks for this Cristian!

cheers, Pete.

Does this help?

http://kolring.blogspot.com/2010/02/lithuanian-herring-gull-larus.html

There's also a contact name too.

Cheers,

Andy.

 

[snowcap]

Thanks for this Andy, I`ve sent the details ,

cheers, Pete.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Hi Pete,

There is a suggestion on gull research forum. Did you read it?