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[delia todd]

# 9016 Moluccan Fruit Dove (ptinopus prassinorrhous) - split from white bibbed. Seen from small island near Waigeo

Hi again David!

I wonder if you could upload this one to the Gallery as we've not got any images there, though we do have one in the Opus article, which had been uploaded to a thread.

I will, though add this one to the White-bibbed article as a subspecies, when I've worked out which one it is (hopefully not the same as Rob's, which I also need to work out LOL)

 

[Swindon Addick]

# 9016 Moluccan Fruit Dove (ptinopus prassinorrhous) - split from white bibbed. Seen from small island near Waigeo

My taxonomy skills are close to non-existent so I may be missing something, but I think this is just a subspecies? Not that it matters, as White-bibbed Fruit Dove was still available, but it may help the next person if they're looking for something white rather than something Moluccan.

(For clarity, I'm vaguely up to speed on recent IOC changes but wouldn't have a clue about recent changes in other taxonomies until they're well-enough established to show up on the IOc's 6-monthly spreadsheet of comparisons with other lists.)

 

[dandsblair]

My taxonomy skills are close to non-existent so I may be missing something, but I think this is just a subspecies? Not that it matters, as White-bibbed Fruit Dove was still available, but it may help the next person if they're looking for something white rather than something Moluccan.

(For clarity, I'm vaguely up to speed on recent IOC changes but wouldn't have a clue about recent changes in other taxonomies until they're well-enough established to show up on the IOc's 6-monthly spreadsheet of comparisons with other lists.)

Yes saw White-bibbed was still available - Moluccan is split in latest edition of Pratt and Beehler guide but having now checked "all the birds of the world" which shows 4 widely used checklists it isn't in IOC, H&M, Clements or HBW so #9016 is White Bibbed Fruit Dove.

I've now added it to the gallery as that.

 

[delia todd]

Yes saw White-bibbed was still available - Moluccan is split in latest edition of Pratt and Beehler guide but having now checked "all the birds of the world" which shows 4 widely used checklists it isn't in IOC, H&M, Clements or HBW so #9016 is White Bibbed Fruit Dove.

I've now added it to the gallery as that.

Thanks very much for that David. At least there's now a picture resulting from the picture search LOL.

 

[Swindon Addick]

I've been having a go at updating the spreadsheet. It's not ready to post yet (I seriously underestimated the time needed to convert between different names used in different taxonomies to work out which species should be crossed off the reverse list!) but here's a game for people to play while we wait for someone to happen along with a new species:

Among the several duplicates that have been posted this year, we seem to have managed to have a single species occupying two adjacent numbers in the list. Literally successive posts, using different names for the same bird. And, possibly to the shame of the forum, no-one among us spotted this. (Before you think I'm showing off, I didn't notice either, until I'd found both names on different taxonomic lists). So, just for fun and with the hint that this happened in 2023, can anyone find the offending bird?

 

[Joe H]

Was it #9002 & #9003?

 

[RafaelMatias]

Was it #9002 & #9003?

Nope, #8969 & #8970

 

[Joe H]

Re. 8969/8970, ah, I see. Good catch.

Re. 9002/9003, Ebird has the two Chaffinches as subs of the same species (Fringilla coelebs), unless it’s been split?

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Re. 8969/8970, ah, I see. Good catch.

Re. 9002/9003, Ebird has the two Chaffinches as subs of the same species (Fringilla coelebs), unless it’s been split?

It was split into 5 species by IOC a few weeks ago (IOC is the taxonomy this thread was traditionally using)

 

[Swindon Addick]

Re. 8969/8970, ah, I see. Good catch.

Re. 9002/9003, Ebird has the two Chaffinches as subs of the same species (Fringilla coelebs), unless it’s been split?

The rules for this game are a little vague, but we seem to have evolved a consensus that we can have both species if either ebird or IOC split them, rather than insisting that the two agree, but we can't claim a split species if someone's written a paper identifying that it should be split but none of the main authorities have actually done so. Hence why there was a flurry of chaffinches being named in the few days after IOC accepted that split.

 

[Swindon Addick]

Right. I've got a version of the spreadsheet updated and I think overall we're down 8 species from the total, so we're on 9008. That's based on:

• allowing species that are only split in Clements/ebird, even though we're using IOC
• not allowing a species that's been proposed as a split but not accepted yet (just 1 of these)
• removing 8 duplicates
• adding in 1 species because 2 different birds were given number 8822.

The duplicates are: 8887 (8826), 8942 (4242), 8945 (8938), 8970 (8969), 8972 (8717), 8974 (5670), 8976 (5689), 8987 (8823).
The one that, as far as I can see, hasn't been split by IOC or Clements yet is 8997 (Ventriloquial Oriole).

I've updated the reverse list by removing species which have been played since the previous update, but I've made no effort to add in any species split by IOC since the spreadsheet was produced. If I've set the spreadsheet up right, it should be editable by anyone, but don't feel you have to update the spreadsheet if you aren't confident doing that; the last thing I want to do is put anyone off joining in as we climb towards our next milestone.

So, subject to someone spotting an error in my version of the spreadsheet (not exactly unlikely), our current state of play is:

9008: White-bibbed Fruit Dove (dandsblair)

Copy of NABYS2

Main List 1,Rock Dove,Jacana 2,White-winged Dove,Lisa W 3,Mourning Dove,Sbarnhardt 4,Crested Pigeon,Delia Todd 5,European Turtle Dove,Deb Burhinus 6,Peaceful Dove,Delia Todd 7,Little Auk,Bonxie2003 8,Common Murre,Delia Todd 9,Least Auklet,Andrew Whitehouse 10,Razorbill,Delia Todd 11,Ring-billed...

docs.google.com

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Right. I've got a version of the spreadsheet updated and I think overall we're down 8 species from the total, so we're on 9008. That's based on:

• allowing species that are only split in Clements/ebird, even though we're using IOC
• not allowing a species that's been proposed as a split but not accepted yet (just 1 of these)
• removing 8 duplicates
• adding in 1 species because 2 different birds were given number 8822.

The duplicates are: 8887 (8826), 8942 (4242), 8945 (8938), 8970 (8969), 8972 (8717), 8974 (5670), 8976 (5689), 8987 (8823).
The one that, as far as I can see, hasn't been split by IOC or Clements yet is 8997 (Ventriloquial Oriole).

I've updated the reverse list by removing species which have been played since the previous update, but I've made no effort to add in any species split by IOC since the spreadsheet was produced. If I've set the spreadsheet up right, it should be editable by anyone, but don't feel you have to update the spreadsheet if you aren't confident doing that; the last thing I want to do is put anyone off joining in as we climb towards our next milestone.

So, subject to someone spotting an error in my version of the spreadsheet (not exactly unlikely), our current state of play is:

9008: White-bibbed Fruit Dove (dandsblair)

Copy of NABYS2

Main List 1,Rock Dove,Jacana 2,White-winged Dove,Lisa W 3,Mourning Dove,Sbarnhardt 4,Crested Pigeon,Delia Todd 5,European Turtle Dove,Deb Burhinus 6,Peaceful Dove,Delia Todd 7,Little Auk,Bonxie2003 8,Common Murre,Delia Todd 9,Least Auklet,Andrew Whitehouse 10,Razorbill,Delia Todd 11,Ring-billed...

docs.google.com

Ventriloquial Oriole has been split by IOC. It was accepted on Feb 5th. The chaffinches and sand plover splits were accepted after this.

 

[vergan]

Right. I've got a version of the spreadsheet updated and I think overall we're down 8 species from the total, so we're on 9008. That's based on:

• allowing species that are only split in Clements/ebird, even though we're using IOC
• not allowing a species that's been proposed as a split but not accepted yet (just 1 of these)
• removing 8 duplicates
• adding in 1 species because 2 different birds were given number 8822.

The duplicates are: 8887 (8826), 8942 (4242), 8945 (8938), 8970 (8969), 8972 (8717), 8974 (5670), 8976 (5689), 8987 (8823).
The one that, as far as I can see, hasn't been split by IOC or Clements yet is 8997 (Ventriloquial Oriole).

I've updated the reverse list by removing species which have been played since the previous update, but I've made no effort to add in any species split by IOC since the spreadsheet was produced. If I've set the spreadsheet up right, it should be editable by anyone, but don't feel you have to update the spreadsheet if you aren't confident doing that; the last thing I want to do is put anyone off joining in as we climb towards our next milestone.

So, subject to someone spotting an error in my version of the spreadsheet (not exactly unlikely), our current state of play is:

9008: White-bibbed Fruit Dove (dandsblair)

Copy of NABYS2

Main List 1,Rock Dove,Jacana 2,White-winged Dove,Lisa W 3,Mourning Dove,Sbarnhardt 4,Crested Pigeon,Delia Todd 5,European Turtle Dove,Deb Burhinus 6,Peaceful Dove,Delia Todd 7,Little Auk,Bonxie2003 8,Common Murre,Delia Todd 9,Least Auklet,Andrew Whitehouse 10,Razorbill,Delia Todd 11,Ring-billed...

docs.google.com

According to the updated document, my next contribution is not white-bibbed, but headed
#9009: White-headed petrel (seen a few times in the SO)

 

[Swindon Addick]

Ventriloquial Oriole has been split by IOC. It was accepted on Feb 5th. The chaffinches and sand plover splits were accepted after this.

So it has. OK, putting that one back in gives us:

#9009 White-bibbed Fruit Dove (dandsblair)
#9010 White-headed Petrel (vergan)

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

According to the updated document, my next contribution is not white-bibbed, but headed
#9009: White-headed petrel (seen a few times in the SO)

9010 Spectacled Prickletail

(Both petrel and prickletail start with P and end with L. I know it's a stretch, but they all are at this point).

 

[foresttwitcher]

It looks as though that should be 9011.

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Spectacled Prickletail is a very rufescent mainland Neotropical bird, as is:-

9012 Rufescent Flycatcher

(Hoping no-one's jumped on that one yet 😁)

 

[dantheman]

9010 Spectacled Prickletail

(Both petrel and prickletail start with P and end with L. I know it's a stretch, but they all are at this point).

Yep, probably all a stretch at this point!

Being spectacled and white-headed are also things that can happen more frequently to humans (including birders) of a slightly more mature vintage ...

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

Yep, probably all a stretch at this point!

Being spectacled and white-headed are also things that can happen more frequently to humans (including birders) of a slightly more mature vintage ...

I've been spectacled since I was 7, but the white head came later.

 

[Nightjar61]

Another stretch, but most nightjars are kind of rufescent.

9013. Hispaniolan Nightjar

Dave