Need ID help bird east coast of china (1 Viewer)

[JennyMK]

Hello all birders!

I hope someone can help me identify these two birds. The first is some kind of finch I think, and the other a thrush. But I have not been able to find which one…
I live on the east coast of China, between Shanghai and Beijing.
Thank you so much in advanced!!

 

[stonechat1]

Hi Jenny,
#1 is Oriental Greenfinch (Carduelis sinica)
#2 is likely a Naumann´s Trush (Turdus naumanni), though your bird shows a stronger supercillium. But don´t worry, there´s sure somebody who will correct my ID´s if they are wrong.

 

[dwatsonbirder]

Agree with above. Possible that the thrush has some Dusky gene's in there somewhere.

 

[chris butterworth]

Agree with Oriental Greenfinch and Naumann's Thrush.

 

[Cypselurus92]

Agree on the above ID's. We get both these birds in Shanghai pretty often, though at different times of the year.

 

[MacNara]

Agree with above. Possible that the thrush has some Dusky gene's in there somewhere.

I'm also not sure that the thrush is overall red enough to be pure Naumann's. I believe they interbreed with Dusky (which used to be considered the same species).

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

Agree with dwatsonbirder. The Naumann's looks to have some dusky in it.

 

[JennyMK]

Thank you so much everyone for your speedy response, I'm truly thankful for your help!!

I haven't been able to find a good bird book about birds in asia,and it is sometimes very difficult to find the right bird species just by 'googling' it…

I have another one to show you, this one I think is a little grebe in its non breeding plumage. Am I right? There are 4-6 who live in a nearby lake in a park. They are tiny, could easily fit in a grown mans palm and so darn cute! I have been able to watch them quite a lot.

 

[chris butterworth]

1 + 3 are adult Little Grebe, 2 is a juvenile ( stripey head ). "Birds of East Asia" by Mark Brazil, published by Christopher Helm, London is the best guide to the birds of eastern China ( although it covers eastern Russia, Japan, the Korea's and Taiwan as well ).

 

[JennyMK]

Thank you Chris! I looked up the book on amazon and found it! I feel stupid now that I haven't thought about looking there before…

 

[Frogfish]

Thank you Chris! I looked up the book on amazon and found it! I feel stupid now that I haven't thought about looking there before…

Jenny - you can also very easily find A Field Guide to the Birds of China (MacKinnon & Phillipps) on Taobao.com (use the Chinese version and not the English version setup to rip off non-residents)

That and Brazil's are the main two books used here. The English version is ca. 250RMB but the Chinese version (same plates and English latin and Chinese names but without the English text) is around 60-65RMB if I remember correctly.

Then pop-over to the China forum, you'll find a lot of information there.

http://www.birdforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=544

 

[JennyMK]

Thank you so much Frogfish for that information! And I will definitely check out the China forum!