North Macedonia - Water or Tawny Pipit? (5 Viewers)

[Alexandre]

all the features of water pipit are here, the slightly upturned bill is a classic feature which race i have no idea

All the features but not entirely black bill, nor slighty contrasting light geyish-brown crown Vs brownish mantle, int of darkish streaks on this latter and on flanks, nor concolorous ear coverts withour isolated and contrasting moustachial stripe... etc. But I repeat myself, even though I wanted to give up ; I'm decidedly too obstinate

All the best,

Alexandre

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Forget the bill as a feature in this image . The image is so blurred that it could be any shape or thickness. I've seen images of birds Like this before where a stout-billed species looks to be thin-billed.

 

[Brian J Small]

I agree with Kuzey Cem, Tawny for me.

 

[Mike Earp]

I agree with Kuzey Cem, Tawny for me.

Could you please explain why?

 

[Alexandre]

Could you please explain why?

Hello
All the features pro-tawny and the reasons why it's not a water pipit had already explained in several post, and I suppose Brian agree with their contents? Each day I look at this topic makes me think of the movie "the groundhog day"

Regards,
Alexandre

 

[tconzemi]

Just as a reminder what digital photography in low light can do with pictures, look at this Sparrowhawk from today Raptor ID Requested | Essex, England
Markings like barring in this bird may completely disappear or become bolder.
That said post 16 from this thread by Mike looks (from a photographic point of view) rather convincing to me, including malar stripe and face pattern

 

[Brian J Small]

Could you please explain why?

Structurally, it is long tailed for Water
I feel that the face pattern is nicer for Tawny, as are the centres to the median and greater coverts; I can't see the bill, but would it not be all black in May?
The colours to me are an artefact of light, camera and post processing

 

[Mike Earp]

Structurally, it is long tailed for Water
I feel that the face pattern is nicer for Tawny, as are the centres to the median and greater coverts; I can't see the bill, but would it not be all black in May?
The colours to me are an artefact of light, camera and post processing

Thanks. Shouldn't a Tawny Pipit have blackish lores?