Panama, Isla Coiba-Santa Catalina region (1 Viewer)

[ushi]

Please assist with the ID of both species.
Thank you

 

[Butty]

2. Great-tailed grackle, or whatever the local big grackle is.

 

[SueO]

1. Bill in image seems a bit long, but I don't know what else to say but Panama Flycatcher. Agree with Great-tailed Grackle for second bird.

https://ebird.org/species/panfly1

 

[SueO]

Any other opinions? Ushi, do you have any other photos of this bird?

 

[njlarsen]

I don't know what else to say but Panama Flycatcher.

Either that or Great Crested F. I feel I see a hint of rufous in the tail - but for GCFL it really should be obvious from this angle. PaFl should not have any, but given what I see this seems the more likely one?
Niels

 

[SueO]

Either that or Great Crested F. I feel I see a hint of rufous in the tail - but for GCFL it really should be obvious from this angle. PaFl should not have any, but given what I see this seems the more likely one?
Niels

Yes, I noticed a little rufous, but I would think it should be more apparent, and in the wings too. Just thought maybe we could give a more definitive answer. Maybe not? Thanks, Niels.

 

[ushi]

1. Bill in image seems a bit long, but I don't know what else to say but Panama Flycatcher. Agree with Great-tailed Grackle for second bird.

https://ebird.org/species/panfly1

Any other opinions? Ushi, do you have any other photos of this bird?

no, unfortunately not

 

[THE_FERN]

1) looks weird for any Myiarchus but despite this I guess it has to be (imm?) Panama Flycatcher

 

[njlarsen]

1) looks weird for any Myiarchus but despite this I guess it has to be (imm?) Panama Flycatcher

I at least could not find anything outside of Myiarchus that would fit.
Niels

 

[James Jobling]

My initial impression was a scruffy Bright-rumped Attila Attila spadiceus, and a close-up confirms the hooked bill.

 

[THE_FERN]

My initial impression was a scruffy Bright-rumped Attila Attila spadiceus, and a close-up confirms the hooked bill.

Makes more sense

 

[SueO]

I would expect to see an obvious bright rump at this angle for a Bright-rumped Attila. I admit I haven't seen them at every angle, but the rump really stands out. I would also expect to see a bigger, 'bull headed' look with some streaking and even an eyeline, the missing big red eye could be because it's young. I think we would see more brown and not this grey-green on the mantle. It's possible I'm wrong with my ID, but I don't think a Bright-rumped Attila is a better choice. Just my opinion, and maybe I'm not seeing things properly. I also don't think the bill is big enough for Attila and I don't think the hook at the tip is too much for a Panama Flycatcher. Well, it's 3 am here and maybe I'm too tired to comment!
Just looked up The Panama in my Ridgley's and it does say immature Panama shows some rufous edging on wings and tail. Personally, I have to stick with Panama.