Pluvialis dominica? or fulva? (2 Viewers)

[Frubecula]

Location: RNLED, Canidelo, V.N. de Gaia, Portugal, 41°8'8" N 8°39'49" W
Date: 2023-06-09

An individual next to two p. squatarola and one t. totanus.
I attach eight photos. More relevant photos on the eBird list: https://ebird.org/portugal/checklist/S140961617
I have photos from other angles, which I can provide on request for any particular detail.
Your opinion/clues for the ID, please.
Thanks.

 

[Bismarck Honeyeater]

Looks like dominica to me. A god record.

 

[Frubecula]

Looks like dominica to me. A god record.

Hello, Bismark
Thanks for your comments and sharing your opinion!
Looks like it's an immature bird. I just thought the beak was a bit strong/long for dominica, but have no experience to judge that.

 

[Bismarck Honeyeater]

Hello, Bismark
Thanks for your comments and sharing your opinion!
Looks like it's an immature bird. I just thought the beak was a bit strong/long for dominica, but have no experience to judge that.

I think the key feature here is the primary projection and tertial placement relative to the tail.

See: American Golden-Plover

 

[tom baxter]

Usually fulva has more speckling on the back and appear more golden, even in basic plumage. They also typically show more tibia above the knee than dominica does. This individual is a bit in the middle of the spectrum of leg length, on the long side for dominica, on the short side for fulva, but I think it is a bit more in line with dominca. As for the bill size, I find it difficult to be sure but it seems fine for dominica to me as well. Overall dominica gets my tentative vote.

I agree that the primary projection is a key characteristic, but it can be notoriously difficult to assess from photos and I don't find it helpful here to my own eyes. Others may have more ability with that.

 

[Frubecula]

I think the key feature here is the primary projection and tertial placement relative to the tail.

See: American Golden-Plover

Ok.
Thanks for the link! Very informative doc.

 

[Frubecula]

Usually fulva has more speckling on the back and appear more golden, even in basic plumage. They also typically show more tibia above the knee than dominica does. This individual is a bit in the middle of the spectrum of leg length, on the long side for dominica, on the short side for fulva, but I think it is a bit more in line with dominca. As for the bill size, I find it difficult to be sure but it seems fine for dominica to me as well. Overall dominica gets my tentative vote.

I agree that the primary projection is a key characteristic, but it can be notoriously difficult to assess from photos and I don't find it helpful here to my own eyes. Others may have more ability with that.

Hi, Tom
Thanks a lot for your opinion and the information shared.