Ringed Motacilla Help required (from Albacete, SE Spain) (1 Viewer)

[LaB O RINg]

What is your opinion about this Motacilla.... flava or citreola?¿?¿?¿?

All photos (nine) in: http://www.anillamiento.net/guia/categories.php?cat_id=9

Photo of head of Motacilla ringeg with N664287 : http://www.anillamiento.net/guia/details.php?image_id=3327

More photos available...

Ringed in Albacete, SE Spain.... october.

Thanks

LaBORINg Project (Open Project to European Ringers) www.anillamiento.net

 

[dogman181]

immature citrine maybe ?

 

[KnockerNorton]

Aren't you supposed to identify every bird BEFORE you ring it?!

 

[JWN Andrewes]

Now I may be a little out of my depth here, but I'll give it a go just for a laugh! I would favour flava over citreola for three main reasons.

1) Distinctly dark lores; don't Citrine usually have rather indistinct smudgy pale sort of lores?

2) Lack of pale surround to ear coverts.

3) Yellow tinge around the undertail; again isn't Citrine usually pure white?

Going largely by failing memory here so could be well out of court, but it's a start at least! As to which flava, I aint so foolhardy as to attempt that!

James

 

[Mark Lewis]

also in favour of flava are the yellow/buff edges ot the tertials.....these should be white in citreola.

 

[JANJ]

As James say´s dark lores and rather uniform dark ear-coverts, dark fore-head, paler lower mandible base, supercilium not surrounding rear ear-coverts, narrower tips to median & greater coverts and yellowish undertail coverts and some elsewhere in plumage exclude Citrine. Perhaps a minor suggestion is what looks like a less distinct emargination of p5 - which if true favours flava.
So - excluding the grayish rump - flava (ssp?) is the option

JanJ

 

[BobTag]

It's a flava

 

[Ausable Bird Observatory]

Flava from me.

 

[Jane Turner]

The head pattern, as has been said, is flava

 

[John Cantelo]

Flava here too for all the reasons given above - I've seen a few similar birds in the UK and the concensus was that they were all flava,

John

 

[LaB O RINg]

Thanks

Many other flava were ringed in these day, only N664287 wagtail is different,

Probably is a juvenile Motacilla flava flavissima, a bit special.....


In cases like it, some ringers (like this ringer) prefer show your ringed bird.... so all can learning

 

[JANJ]

I would imagen that ringers who have handled the subject bird have some knowledge of Citrine contra flava characters (no offence). Just curious what made you ask the question? Was it the grey rump? I just noticed in the last image (9) there´s a hint of a pale surrounding at the rear earcoverts - and some juv./1st winter Citrine doesn´t have such an obvious pale surrounding (I´m not suggesting otherwise than flava here, just smalltalk).

http://galleryofbirds.com/scillies2002/citrine.html

JanJ

 

[LaB O RINg]

Exactly JanJ!!!!

The head pattern is typical flava but the other characters......

Thanks for the Sant Mantin´s Photos Cetrine juvenil wagtail.

In this bird is more easy identify one photo that identify the bird in the hand!!!