Would like identification on following pics (1 Viewer)

[Kilian hoeckman]

Hi there, i am looking into some old pictures and i can't identify these 2 gulls.
Both taken in abu dhabi on the 8th of december 2019,

Thank you

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello Killian,
welcome to birdforum!

First one is a 1 winter= 1 calendar year= 1 cycle bird (=that means it was born in 2019). I havent experience with that complex problem in the Middle East, but it looks like one of those eastern type Lesser black-backed Gull forms or a Caspian Gull to me. Strange for a Caspian Gull seems to me the extensive black tail ....
But I better stop, and hope for the experts to jump in. Thankfully there are some of the foremost gullers active around here and they will (hopefully) help us.

Second bird is a 1 cy Common Gull. Please note:

• just imaginable rounded head with tiny bill (against one of the larger Gulls)
• broad uniform tailband without any pattern/smearing/spotting on the base (not good for a large Gull).

This bird looks different to the ones you are used to see in Belgium. But the suspected ssp heinei in Abu Dabi looks like your bird with a white underwing and a contrasting dark trailing edge.

 

[Kilian hoeckman]

Hello Killian,
welcome to birdforum!

First one is a 1 winter= 1 calendar year= 1 cycle bird (=that means it was born in 2019). I havent experience with that complex problem in the Middle East, but it looks like one of those eastern type Lesser black-backed Gull forms or a Caspian Gull to me. Strange for a Caspian Gull seems to me the extensive black tail ....
But I better stop, and hope for the experts to jump in. Thankfully there are some of the foremost gullers active around here and they will (hopefully) help us.

Second bird is a 1 cy Common Gull. Please note:

• just imaginable rounded head with tiny bill (against one of the larger Gulls)
• broad uniform tailband without any pattern/smearing/spotting on the base (not good for a large Gull).

This bird looks different to the ones you are used to see in Belgium. But the suspected ssp heinei in Abu Dabi looks like your bird with a white underwing and a contrasting dark trailing edge.

They sure do look different then the ones in belgium! Thank you for your quick reply. The app i have or i can find for the Middle East is not in English

 

[KC Foggin]

I'm just going to jump in here and wish you a warm welcome to you from those of us on staff here at BirdForum
We're glad you found us and please join in wherever you like

 

[Kilian hoeckman]

I'm just going to jump in here and wish you a warm welcome to you from those of us on staff here at BirdForum
We're glad you found us and please join in wherever you like

Thank you very much! I sure will! I have been birding for 6 years now and only found this forum a few days ago!

 

[KC Foggin]

I've been around since the beginning of BF Kilian and every day is packed with fun and lots of info

 

[RafaelMatias]

I'm afraid the 2nd gull is a Pallas's Gull. The head is at an angle, foreshortening the bill.
Welcome to Birdforum.

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Thanks Rafael for correction!

I have only seen one Pallas Gull before, so I havent experience with this species. And after enlarging the picture once more, I see the white eye-ring, in a good shape for this species according to literature

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Edit: I have taken a picture of a 1cycle Common Gull today with a similar impression of the head-bill ratio and the steep, dove-like jizz imo (I was instantly reminded to this bird here). I just want to share it with you.

Thanks again to Rafael for correction!



all: Sturmmöwen 12.02.2022 (12.02.2022, Wusterwitzer See, NE.Germany)