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My taxonomic predictions (3 Viewers)

A source somewhere?
Schodde & Mason (1999).

You can see the relevant page here:

 
Schodde & Mason (1999).

You can see the relevant page here:

There is no tree inside, it's just based on morpho.

Some members should have the book Largest avian radiation, passerine. There should be a Climacteridae tree
 
Some more distinctive but nameless lineages:
  • Crypturellus occidentalis, cinnamomeus & transfasciatus
  • Pternistis swierstrai
  • Pternistis camerunensis, nobilis, atrifrons, castaneicollis, ochropectus & erckelii
  • Scleroptila streptophora
  • Polyplectron malacense & schleiermacheri
  • Mesitornis unicolor*
  • Ducula zoeae
  • Centropus milo, ateralbus, chalybeus & menbeki
  • Centropus unirufus
  • Centropus chlororhynchos
  • Centropus rectunguis, steerii & melanops
  • Clamator coromandus
  • "Neotis" nuba*
  • "Neotis" heuglinii*
  • "Neotis" denhami*
  • Antigone canadensis
  • Fulica rufifrons
  • Numenius tahitiensis
  • Onychoprion aleuticus
  • Sterna forsteri & trudeaui
  • Leucocarbo magellanicus
  • Circaetus cinerascens & fasciolatus
  • Tachyspiza/"Accipiter" erythropus & minulla*
  • Tyto/Megastrix inexspectata
  • Philippine "Ninox"*
  • Glaucidium tephronotum
  • Otus ireneae & icterorhynchus
  • Otus sagittatus & rufescens
  • Otus thilohoffmanni
  • Coracias cyanogaster
  • Ramphastos toco
  • Lybius/"Tricholaema" melanocephalus & lacrymosus*
  • Cyanops/Psilopogon henricii, armillaris & pulcherrimus
  • “Anthracoceros” malayanus
  • Falco/Cerchneis zoniventris
  • Falco sparverius
  • Pyrrhura cruentata
  • Ramphotrigon megacephalum
  • Lipaugus unirufus
  • Oropezus/"Grallaria" andicolus*
  • Conopophaga melanops
  • Foulehaio/"Gymnomyza" brunneirostris & viridis*
  • Sugomel/“Lichmera” lombokia*
  • Myzomela blasii, simplex, rubrotincta, rufobrunnea, cruentata & erythrina
  • Myzomela rosenbergii & longirostris
  • Pericrocotus erythropygius & albifrons
  • Prionops alberti
  • Urocissa ornata
  • Corvus ossifragus, sinaloae, imparatus & palmarum
  • “Mayrornis” versicolor*
  • “Pomarea” fluxa, nukuhivae, iphis, whitneyi, mira & mendozae*
  • Chloropsis venusta
  • Propasser/“Carpodacus” rhodochlamys
  • “Carpodacus” synoicus & stoliczkae
  • Dacnis berlepschi
  • Habia fuscicauda, atrimaxillaris, gutturalis & cristata
  • Melophus/Emberiza affinis
  • Emberiza koslowi
  • Sporophila lineola & bouvronides
  • Saltator similis, albicollis, striatipectus, coerulescens, grandis & olivascens
  • Sheppardia aurantiithorax, lowei & montana
  • Zoothera mollissima, salimalii, griseiceps & dixoni
  • Geokichla princei, camaronensis, gurneyi, crossleyi, oberlaenderi & piaggiae
  • Mimus saturninus, triurus, dorsalis, thenca & patagonicus
  • Baeopogon/“Arizelocichla” montanus*
  • Yuhina brunneiceps & nigrimenta
  • Zosterops ceylonensis
  • Caprimulgus ruficollis
  • Eurostopodus diabolicus, papuensis & archboldi
  • Aeronautes andecolus & parvulus
Most of these are included based on divergence times though some are likely misplaced in their current 'official' position (*). Many of these (e.g. Crypturellus, Pternistis, Ducula, Centropus, Otus spp) are un-named old groups within large, heterogeneous genera that IMO would benefit from splitting.
Mesitornithidae has been studied? When ? By who ?
 
Mesitornithidae has been studied? When ? By who ?
For clarity, I'm not claiming that the inclusion of all the taxa in my list is backed with genetic evidence (though this is the case for the majority) - this exercise is, after all, 'just for fun'. Certainly, they are all distinctive - morphologically, genetically and/or temporally.

I'm not aware of any study including all three members of Mesitornithidae. However, I have good field experience with mesites and, in some ways, I'd say that unicolor is the most different of the three species: plumage, habitat, some aspects of feeding and social behaviour, and, I would also say, song. It's probably also the only completely flightless species. Oddly, despite being the smallest species, unicolor also lays much larger eggs than the other two.

According to HBW, the validity of the two genera "has never been challenged" and it is based on bill structure (a notably plastic trait) and egg structure/form.

I could well be wrong, but I think the three mesites likely separated from each other an immensely long time ago, and I would not be at all surprised if unicolor turns out to be sibling to the other two.
 
For clarity, I'm not claiming that the inclusion of all the taxa in my list is backed with genetic evidence (though this is the case for the majority) - this exercise is, after all, 'just for fun'. Certainly, they are all distinctive - morphologically, genetically and/or temporally.

I'm not aware of any study including all three members of Mesitornithidae. However, I have good field experience with mesites and, in some ways, I'd say that unicolor is the most different of the three species: plumage, habitat, some aspects of feeding and social behaviour, and, I would also say, song. It's probably also the only completely flightless species. Oddly, despite being the smallest species, unicolor also lays much larger eggs than the other two.

According to HBW, the validity of the two genera "has never been challenged" and it is based on bill structure (a notably plastic trait) and egg structure/form.

I could well be wrong, but I think the three mesites likely separated from each other an immensely long time ago, and I would not be at all surprised if unicolor turns out to be sibling to the other two.
Xenoenas ? 🤔
 
Some more distinctive but nameless lineages:
  • Crypturellus occidentalis, cinnamomeus & transfasciatus
  • Pternistis swierstrai
  • Pternistis camerunensis, nobilis, atrifrons, castaneicollis, ochropectus & erckelii
  • Scleroptila streptophora
  • Polyplectron malacense & schleiermacheri
  • Mesitornis unicolor*
  • Ducula zoeae
  • Centropus milo, ateralbus, chalybeus & menbeki
  • Centropus unirufus
  • Centropus chlororhynchos
  • Centropus rectunguis, steerii & melanops
  • Clamator coromandus
  • "Neotis" nuba*
  • "Neotis" heuglinii*
  • "Neotis" denhami*
  • Antigone canadensis
  • Fulica rufifrons
  • Numenius tahitiensis
  • Onychoprion aleuticus
  • Sterna forsteri & trudeaui
  • Leucocarbo magellanicus
  • Circaetus cinerascens & fasciolatus
  • Tachyspiza/"Accipiter" erythropus & minulla*
  • Tyto/Megastrix inexspectata
  • Philippine "Ninox"*
  • Glaucidium tephronotum
  • Otus ireneae & icterorhynchus
  • Otus sagittatus & rufescens
  • Otus thilohoffmanni
  • Coracias cyanogaster
  • Ramphastos toco
  • Lybius/"Tricholaema" melanocephalus & lacrymosus*
  • Cyanops/Psilopogon henricii, armillaris & pulcherrimus
  • “Anthracoceros” malayanus
  • Falco/Cerchneis zoniventris
  • Falco sparverius
  • Pyrrhura cruentata
  • Ramphotrigon megacephalum
  • Lipaugus unirufus
  • Oropezus/"Grallaria" andicolus*
  • Conopophaga melanops
  • Foulehaio/"Gymnomyza" brunneirostris & viridis*
  • Sugomel/“Lichmera” lombokia*
  • Myzomela blasii, simplex, rubrotincta, rufobrunnea, cruentata & erythrina
  • Myzomela rosenbergii & longirostris
  • Pericrocotus erythropygius & albifrons
  • Prionops alberti
  • Urocissa ornata
  • Corvus ossifragus, sinaloae, imparatus & palmarum
  • “Mayrornis” versicolor*
  • “Pomarea” fluxa, nukuhivae, iphis, whitneyi, mira & mendozae*
  • Chloropsis venusta
  • Propasser/“Carpodacus” rhodochlamys
  • “Carpodacus” synoicus & stoliczkae
  • Dacnis berlepschi
  • Habia fuscicauda, atrimaxillaris, gutturalis & cristata
  • Melophus/Emberiza affinis
  • Emberiza koslowi
  • Sporophila lineola & bouvronides
  • Saltator similis, albicollis, striatipectus, coerulescens, grandis & olivascens
  • Sheppardia aurantiithorax, lowei & montana
  • Zoothera mollissima, salimalii, griseiceps & dixoni
  • Geokichla princei, camaronensis, gurneyi, crossleyi, oberlaenderi & piaggiae
  • Mimus saturninus, triurus, dorsalis, thenca & patagonicus
  • Baeopogon/“Arizelocichla” montanus*
  • Yuhina brunneiceps & nigrimenta
  • Zosterops ceylonensis
  • Caprimulgus ruficollis
  • Eurostopodus diabolicus, papuensis & archboldi
  • Aeronautes andecolus & parvulus
Most of these are included based on divergence times though some are likely misplaced in their current 'official' position (*). Many of these (e.g. Crypturellus, Pternistis, Ducula, Centropus, Otus spp) are un-named old groups within large, heterogeneous genera that IMO would benefit from splitting.
Your checklist of birds is over ?
 
The usually recognised genera in Miminae/Mimidae do not represent the most divergent lineages.

The Mimus group including saturninus, triurus, dorsalis, thenca & patagonicus seems to have split from other Mimus before Melanoptila, Dumetella, Ramphocinclus, Allenia, Margarops & Cinclocerthia diverged from each other. The last three are certainly very recent and IMO should be treated as congeneric (Cinclocerthia).
 
The usually recognised genera in Miminae/Mimidae do not represent the most divergent lineages.

The Mimus group including saturninus, triurus, dorsalis, thenca & patagonicus seems to have split from other Mimus before Melanoptila, Dumetella, Ramphocinclus, Allenia, Margarops & Cinclocerthia diverged from each other. The last three are certainly very recent and IMO should be treated as congeneric (Cinclocerthia).
The various studies don't show a time scale, which would have helped me a lot. Mimus nevertheless remains a very homogeneous genus
 
The various studies don't show a time scale, which would have helped me a lot. Mimus nevertheless remains a very homogeneous genus

Yes, I somewhat agree - I have it as an un-named subgenus.

But in a taxonomy where Margarops and Allenia are treated as full genera, consistency requires splitting Mimus into two or three, and Toxostoma into two (which actually makes some morphological and biogeographical sense).

The lack of divergence time estimates is frustrating but as mockingbirds only split from starlings c. 14 million years, the genera can not be very old.

DaCosta et al. (2019) recommend the merger of "Margarops and Allenia into Cinclocerthia but retain Ramphocinclus, which would capture the deepest split in the clade while collapsing the more closely related genera".
 
To my mind, placing either one or both of "Margarops and Allenia" into Cinclocerthia is a step too far. In real life these are too different in both how they look and how they behave. I have spent 15 years living on an island with representation from all three genera.
Niels
 
To my mind, placing either one or both of "Margarops and Allenia" into Cinclocerthia is a step too far. In real life these are too different in both how they look and how they behave. I have spent 15 years living on an island with representation from all three genera.
Niels

Fair enough, you can treat them however you prefer. There are no absolute truths in taxonomy.

However, I would say that in a system where people are happy to include e.g.

Philomachus in Calidris,
Alectroenas in Ptilinopus,
Chasiempis in Monarcha,
Heliolais
in Prinia,
Haematospiza
in Carpodacus,
Parophasma, Lioptilus, Pseudoalcippe
& Horizorhinus in Sylvia
Monachella
in Microeca
all Asian green barbets in Psilopogon,
all leaf warblers in Phylloscopus,
all fantails in Rhipidura,
most weavers in Ploceus,
all pipits in Anthus,
all true buntings in Emberiza

recognition of a broad Cinclocerthia does not seem much of a stretch.
 
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I am creating this thread which will absolutely not advance the debate. It's just for fun (and also because I am bored).

This is at most an aside discussion in which I imagine possible taxonomic revisions at the genus level. In particular, species that I believe should be placed in their own genus, based on current molecular analyzes as well as their appearance.

Many of us have our own list of the birds of the world and whose taxonomy reflects both recent studies and our opinions.

For each species, I give the genus that would suit them and the etymology. Species are listed in systematic order. Of course, all genera are fictional

‘’Burhinus’’ bistriatus & superciliaris = Bugralla (Bu : Bull, gralla : Stilt, a Burhinus on stilt lol). They are very distant from other Burhinus according to recent analysis. Here, the type would be : B. bistriatus.

‘’Hapalopsittaca’’ melanotis
= Streptopsittaca (collared parrot). Look a little bit different from other Hapalopsittaca.

‘’Neopelma’’ chrysolophum = probably in progress, but, Chrysopipo (gold little bird). The genus Neopelma is paraphyletic with Tyranneutes.

‘’Fluvicola’’ pica & albiventer = Limnotriccus (marsh tyrant). Fluvicola nengeta is very distant from them. Type : F. pica.

‘’Muscisaxicola’’ maculirostris
= Frutexia (frutex, fruticis : shrubland). Distant and look different from other Muscisaxicola

‘’Myrmotherula’’ behni, grisea, minor, schisticolor, snowi, sunensis
& unicolor = Myrmozetetes (ant searcher). It’s an old lineage within the Myrmotherula clade. Type : M. unicolor.

‘’Dysithamnus’’ puncticeps & striaticeps
= Cnemonastes (Cnemo : foothill, nastes : inhabit). Dysithamnus seems to be polyphyletic. Type : D. striaticeps.

‘’Drymophila’’ squamata
= Taeniocerca (banded tail). Drymophila is probably polyphyletic.

‘’Philydor’’ erythrocercum & fuscipenne = Neophilydor (new Philydor). Philydor is not monophyletic. Type: P. erythrocercum

‘’Asthenes’’ arequipae, baeri, berlepschi, dorbignyi, huancavelicae
& usheri = Prosiptornoides (before Siptornoides). Asthenes is an old lineage. Type : A. dorbignyi.

‘’Asthenes’’ luizae
= Amaurasthenes (dark Asthenes). Same remark.

’Thripophaga’’ gutturata = seems to be in progress, but, Varzeicola (living in Varzea).

‘’Pycnopygius’’ cinereus & ixoides = Pinaromyza (dirty sucker). Pycnopygius is clearly polyphyletic. Type: P. cinereus.

‘’Vireo’’ hypochryseus
= Thapsinornis (yellow bird). The phylogenetic position is uncertain.

‘’Hylophilus’’ brunneiceps, flavipes, griseiventris, insularis, olivaceus, pectoralis, semicinereus, thoracicus & viridiflavus = Drymolais (Drymo : forest, lais : kind of warbler). Seem different and distant from the true Hylophilus. Type : H. thoracicus.

‘’Batis’’ erlangeri, ituriensis, minima, minor, minulla, molitor, occulta, orientalis, perkeo, poensis, pririt, senegalensis
& soror = Pririt (from the epithet of B. pririt). Batis is not monophyletic. Type : B. senegalensis.

‘’Baeolophus’’ wollweberi
= Lophophanoides (similar to Lophophanes). Its plumage is very distinctive.

‘’Chlorocichla’’ simplex = Hartlaubina (from Hartlaub, the descriptor). It’s unclear if Chlorocichla is monophyletic or not.

‘’Chlorocichla’’ laetissima = Xanthillas (yellow thrush). Same remark.

‘’Dasycrotapha’’ plateni & pygmaea = Stictocerthia (striped unknow little bird). Dasycrotapha is paraphyletic with Sterrhoptilus, but these two species look different from Sterrhoptilus. Type : D. plateni.

‘’Lamprotornis’’ hildebrandt
i & shelleyi = Neospreo (new Spreo). Lamprotornis is an old lineage. Type : L. hildebrandti.

‘’Cryptospiza’’ shelleyi
= Daphoenospiza (blooded finch). Seems distant from other Cryptospiza.

‘’Peucaea’’ carpalis & sumichrasti = Pyrrhomus (rufous shoulder). Divergence time. Type : P. sumichrasti.

‘’Tangara’’ cyanotis, labradorides
& rufigenis = Prosopothraupis (masked tanager). To be consistent with recent taxonomic revision of the genus Tangara (lato sensu). Type : T. labradorides.

‘’Hemithraupis’’ flavicollis
= Pygothlypis (pygo : rump, thlypis : kind of bird, because its yellow rump). Distinctive plumage and long branch.


For you, which species would deserve to be placed in an undescribed genus ?

I know you said they are free to use, but doesn't them appearing online first on a message boad potentially cause complications as far as priority and status?

I think I prefer all these names to the other alternatives, which are likely to be
1. Wait for them all to be named after the Turkish research institute, CESA:

2. Wait for the LSU / SACC crew to name them all after John O'Neill.
 

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