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Zeiss SFL 8x40, A Field Review (1 Viewer)

Buying stuff on-line is so common-place now it can be easy to lose sight of the need to have 'hands-on' experience of a bino model to confirm it is the right one for you.
For me at least, buying online is the best way to try before I buy. I can always return what I do not like and I can try in the best conditions: for a few days or weeks, in my favorite spots, compare with what I already have.

I bought and returned 2 Canon IS and a Leica Ultravid 7x42 in the last few years.
I also ordered a NL Pure thinking I would not keep it but wanting to know what Swaro was all about: I tried several models in shops over the years but was never amazed.
My experience was very different once I had the opportunity to use them for real.
I did the same with the SLF: ordered them because I was interested but not knowing if they were a keeper.

Anyhow, this allowed me to test many binoculars the last 2 years and now I know what I really like, what I can live with and what I cannot stand.
 
It is understandable that many do not have access to a store to try before you buy and that mail order with generous return policies are the only option. Maybe folks can use the search function more often as there is a plethora of info on almost every binocular known to man on this sub forum.
There is a danger of this Tom but mostly the encouragement to 'try before you buy' is a response to a member who appears to be trying to choose which bino to buy based solely on the specifications and the comments of other members who have tried them. Buying stuff on-line is so common-place now it can be easy to lose sight of the need to have 'hands-on' experience of a bino model to confirm it is the right one for you. It is usually possible to see from what the member posts whether they plan to try before they buy but if there is no sign of this, a friendly suggestion to do this is surely nothing more or less than just that: a friendly suggestion.

Lee
Seems possible we're potentially talking about a couple different things here Lee.

The inspiration for my processing was UT Grad, who I think is not the imagined person you described in #480. He was rather a new poster who wanted help deciding about what bino to buy in a different post, couple weeks back. I don't mean to single him out in any negative way. He, serves as an example of those new folks who come looking for help, with no other resource apparently available. One idea - confirming that situation, might be a better approach.

dries1's recommending the search function is a really good one. Tho maybe we should refer each other to the same resource when 8 vs 10, glare, and FOV conversations start again....

As to buying online. I get this is the only real answer in today's world with quality brick and mortar retailing in decline. Maybe that's the better answer to give to folks looking for the above. We could just go straight to it and describe say B&H for instance, with their try and return option. I wish places like Jans' "House of Outdoors" existed here. They do not. Online sellers with liberal return policies, aided and abetted by California's regressive sales tax have combined to squash full service retailing here. Maybe I'm being naive defending local retailers that were never really that "full" service. I get it.

But what happens to all those tried and returned binos? Not my problem, I got mine. Is that it? How does the online seller deal with these? If we order 3, keep one, do the returned 2 become "used" and sold again at a discount? Or are they repackaged and sold as new, again? While we might quietly begrudge profit to each member of the supply chain, like it or not we are kind of partners. We need the service. They need the profit. For the mo, it is what it is. Got it.

Lee, this conversation probably does not belong here in "Zeiss SFL 8x40 - A Field Review", sorry for my part, can it be moved?
 
I got my SFL 8x42 today. I am really impressed with its performance and wasn’t expecting it to this good. Colors to me look a lot like NL pure and sharpness is incredible. Look at this picture of the 10x42 NL and the 8x40 SFL coatings. They look almost identical. It is really short like the Leica ultravid and that is how I hold it like I hold the Leica but the Zeiss is much lighter. Really nice binocular and a keeper. 926893A7-0030-4788-AD64-B7B0848E5450.jpeg
 
I compared focus turns between the 8x40 SFLs and the 10x32 NLs and 8x42 NLs. From about 15ft to 600ft the SFLs take almost exactly 1/2 turn; both NLs take almost exactly a full turn. My personal "goldilocks" amount would split the difference.

As much as the stiffness of the SFL still bugs me, it doesn't really interfere with birding use.
 
Reverting to Zeiss image coloration appearing blue and not green to some people, 'Bird Watching' magazine UK online has this in a review of the Z. SFL 8x40 by Mike Weedon (put up 4 days ago): "I found a very subtle difference in colour, with the SFs appearing very slightly yellower and very slightly flatter (in colour terms) than the slightly bluer SFLs."

In the summary: "These new binoculars from Zeiss somehow squeeze just about all the excellence of the well-established 8x42 SF binoculars into a slightly smaller objective lens diameter pair, which is considerably smaller, lighter and some £800 less expensive. To me, it seems like a minor miracle!"
 
These new binoculars from Zeiss somehow squeeze just about all the excellence of the well-established 8x42 SF binoculars into a slightly smaller objective lens diameter pair, which is considerably smaller, lighter and some £800 less expensive.
Hmm … so was I right suspecting that Zeiss is going to have difficulties selling the SF? They shot themselves in their foot open-eyed??? Hmm …
 
Hmm … so was I right suspecting that Zeiss is going to have difficulties selling the SF? They shot themselves in their foot open-eyed??? Hmm …
Or, Zeiss being an old, successful and huge conglomerate, they have a good chance of knowing what they do when it comes to selling binoculars and maybe even better than you.
 
Hmm … so was I right suspecting that Zeiss is going to have difficulties selling the SF? They shot themselves in their foot open-eyed??? Hmm …
I rather suspect that SFL and SF42 will appeal to different people and that competition between the two will be minimal. They look different, feel different, and have different performance characteristics.

Lee
 
Reverting to Zeiss image coloration appearing blue and not green to some people, 'Bird Watching' magazine UK online has this in a review of the Z. SFL 8x40 by Mike Weedon (put up 4 days ago): "I found a very subtle difference in colour, with the SFs appearing very slightly yellower and very slightly flatter (in colour terms) than the slightly bluer SFLs."

In the summary: "These new binoculars from Zeiss somehow squeeze just about all the excellence of the well-established 8x42 SF binoculars into a slightly smaller objective lens diameter pair, which is considerably smaller, lighter and some £800 less expensive. To me, it seems like a minor miracle!"

Hmm … so was I right suspecting that Zeiss is going to have difficulties selling the SF? They shot themselves in their foot open-eyed??? Hmm …

There's always people who want to pay more to get the very best made in Europe...otherwise everybody would be using Nikon Monarch HG:s and not a Swaro, Leica or Zeiss....

The SF and SFL differs in FOV, CA and contrast, EP, look and feel/ergonomics & size, Eye-relief, light transmission, manufacturing country and possibly ruggedness and armor. And some actually prefer a more substantial weight in the binocular.

I only see a very reasonable product segmentation by Zeiss and not any "minor miracles"...
 
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I got my SFL 8x42 today. I am really impressed with its performance and wasn’t expecting it to this good. Colors to me look a lot like NL pure and sharpness is incredible. Look at this picture of the 10x42 NL and the 8x40 SFL coatings. They look almost identical. It is really short like the Leica ultravid and that is how I hold it like I hold the Leica but the Zeiss is much lighter. Really nice binocular and a keeper. View attachment 1462467
I think SFL 8x40 and NL 10x42 would be a great match. I regret not buying NL 10x42 and buying 8x42 instead. It seems SFL 10x40 is not good as NL 10x42 in terms of CA control and other optical parameters to combine with NL 8x42.
 
There's always people who want to pay more to get the very best made in Europe...otherwise everybody would be using Nikon Monarch HG:s and not a Swaro, Leica or Zeiss....

The SF and SFL differs in FOV, CA and contrast, EP, look and feel/ergonomics & size, Eye-relief, light transmission, manufacturing country and possibly ruggedness and armor. And some actually prefer a more substantial weight in the binocular.

I only see a very reasonable product segmentation by Zeiss and not any "minor miracles"...
And they differ in focus. Both SFLS that I have tried had a very stiff focus by comparison.
 
I got my SFL 8x42 today. I am really impressed with its performance and wasn’t expecting it to this good. Colors to me look a lot like NL pure and sharpness is incredible. Look at this picture of the 10x42 NL and the 8x40 SFL coatings. They look almost identical. It is really short like the Leica ultravid and that is how I hold it like I hold the Leica but the Zeiss is much lighter. Really nice binocular and a keeper.
What's the lighting?
 

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