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  1. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Cheers for all your inputs and for this thread Doc, has been an education for all of us I should imagine. Really enjoyed it!
  2. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    That Bedford bird is a real stunner, as you say you would wonder if it could be Hornemanni.
  3. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Fascinating stuff Newton Stringer, appreciate your reply. I would personally have still said the 2nd bird in the row of 5 (even having seen the 2nd photo) has a borderline type pale rump. But accept that if it has arrowhead UTC's it is mealy. The two photos of the bird with the 'structure' to...
  4. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Yep......this bird too !! I have no idea but as you say it has Arctic features. Any confidence i previously had gained with redpolls has dissipated just as quickly, certainly regards the string of border line redpolls seen this winter. If the bird I mentioned indeed has 2 broad UTC's that...
  5. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    I would have thought that 2nd bird has potential to be a 1stW or female Coues?
  6. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Like to see other photos Doc.
  7. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Certainly no Arctic :-C Can see that now.
  8. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    That second one looks very Arctic like with salmon-pink colouration and snow white underparts with wispy streaking. I have given up feeling vaguely capable of identifying these birds. Any more photos of that 2nd bird?
  9. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Good link nice one Tim :t: Excellent detailed summary.
  10. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    The bird said to be Arctic does indeed look extremely white, and the underparts look bang on for me. Colouration means little though, as we are discovering. Though can understand the need to note all features, which observers on site appear to have done anyway.
  11. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Any photos of the bird?
  12. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Good luck, you deserve it ! Let us know how you get on though I suspect it will still be tough with flocks being so flippin mobile! Why not pop up to Rainton, not too far for you is it? Don't think some people realise we may not have another year for Arctic's like this for some time.
  13. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    ............and I certainly do not want to study your white rump!! :eek!:
  14. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Again, interesting bird, are these definitely all the same bird? Back/mantle looks too rufous for Arctic but underparts on 3rd photo look quite good for Arctic! Getting more confused the more i study them! I think they are probably mealy. Like the hairy legs mind!
  15. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    At a wild guess - based on what you say - Arctic & Common. Hornemann's Arctic is the big white beast but is there a Coues'? Maybe the larger of the 2 birds with its back to us? Common mealy Redpolls and a 'darker' North-western Common redpoll? That makes 4 sub-species. (I was gonna say the...
  16. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    A very pale lesser Redpoll - just food for thought !! Isn't it confusing!
  17. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Adult Arctic in Finland, showing pink colouration. This is an area that still confuses me, some describe Arctic's has only having 'salmon pink' colouration restricted to breast only. This bird shows pinkish-red and it extends a little way down, a bit like one of the Coues at Rainton meadows in...
  18. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Various Arctic (Coues) amd mealies comparison photos showing UTC's, rumps, streaking, colouration etc. Hope the link works and it is interesting. 1) First one is nicked (sorry!) from rainton, a general photo showing how they can look at some distance, but I love it. 2 Coues can be seen in the...
  19. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    From what i am reliably and instructively informed via various recent Redpoll i/d posts, this bird somewhat surprisingly has to be mealy due to the extent of pinkish-red markings on the face (below the eye), and on the underparts. Otherwise, the extent of white would strongly suggest Coues...
  20. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Interesting that Makpe from Finland thinks one could be mealy or an arctic. I agree with your thoughts on the UTC comments regards the bird showing the rump. As you feel, both probably are mealy but they are very interesting & educational individuals.
  21. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Pleased Andrew has expressed his opinion. Of tender years he is compared to most of us, but an excellent birder he is. Indeed the latter bird of Doc Reed's at post 31 is strkingly similar to the 1stW Coues' shown superbly in Andrew's second link down. Altho, as has been noted by most, the...
  22. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Could be right about it being Mealy, but I really do not think it is easy to state with such definity with a bird like this. Interesting point you make about the facial colouration though, but personally I have seen Arctic's with longer bills than this bird. That feature is not that clear cut...
  23. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Hi Ben You may be right, it is difficult to assess with the single side profile image. Of course also the breast colour may be simply developing into its full bloom, but at present the pinkish tinge as opposed to rosey-red tinge looks good for me. I think its a promising bird at least, that...
  24. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    Funny, in contrast to Ben I think the last bird has some credentials for Coues - pale mantle, subtle pink wash on breast (as opposed to brighter red), limited flank streaking etc. The other bird has a borderline pale rump for both Coues and Mealy. You are certainly turning up some interesting...
  25. wolfbirder

    Yorkshire Redpolls

    The more I look at it the more i think it is Coues. 'If' it stood out from other mealies present then that is a big pro-Coues factor. I am only a rank amateur, who like your good self has found the redpoll queries this year fascinating. Having said that even the so-called experts will differ...
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