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  1. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    The plainess of the mantle is a good start.. and the head shape looks ok.
  2. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    I think that the only problem with the accepted Water Pipit critera is an underestimate of just how many of the features are shown by some littoralis. The days of... "Its got a big super, big wnig bars and white-outers therefore its a Wapit" are long gone. Glad you saw the T5 wedge though... I...
  3. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Tris - don't think I am having ago.. 25 years a go I thought I could do these things 9/10 times... and then I saw a lot of water pipits.... then I started getting doubts and see very few def Water pipits now.. and a lot more Rockits!
  4. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Thanks Mike - says it all.
  5. Jane Turner

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    Tris - again that is what I was saying... there are many birds that fall into the gap.. including your bird (I think). Call - the difference reminds me of the tonal difference between alba and yarreli Wags, with spin having the alba equivalent call - slighly drier and less lispy. Jizz -...
  6. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Hard to draw: See if this works - treat it as work in progress In descending use for proving ID of spinoletta... who wants the publication out of this :) T5 large white wedge (like a mipit) - if present your bird is not a Rockit, if absent it may be still be a Wapit Blotchy breast streaks...
  7. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Probably freudian Malky! Tris - that was the point I was making.. I have seen all the plumage features of Wapit in Rockits except the T5 wedge. For safety I would want to see all features present to claim a Wapit. I know its a personal view, but I think litt is very much more common than...
  8. Jane Turner

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    Actually I have seen pure white outers on a good numbers of the birds I choose to call good Scandi's - BUT that is becuase it is the primary feature I use to distinguish the lit end of the cline from petrosus. Its really not uncommon. Lack of white outers clearly rules out spins, presence does...
  9. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    I've seen bigger wing bars on a Rockit... - fortunately one with buff outers!
  10. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    I too am not sure.... and would say what I can see could be shown by littoralis..... need to see T5.. I've seen a really streaky/blotchy bird with a grey mantle and sandy bum twice...
  11. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Nay lad!
  12. Jane Turner

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    Oh and having looked at the east Lancs bird... I'd not be having that as a safe spinoletta! The autumn pics look more a little convincing than the spring ones... which look like a classic littoralis to me. and this pic (mid)...
  13. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    There are good Wapits at Warton, just like there are good Wapits at Neston (even thought I can't see the blighters). Can't speak for lancs, though there were some pics that we discussed previously that I regard as dubious/not safe. I do think that lots of people go to both sites expecting to...
  14. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    I don't believe there are Peter, no...
  15. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    As must be well know by now I have a theory that says a huge number of Water pipit records have been based on the (IMO) erroneous theory that pipits feeding on wet meadows with good supercillia and white outer TF's must be spinoletta. I've tried my damndest to see a Water Pipit on the Dee for...
  16. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Your description combined with what I can or more accurately can't make out in the pic does suggest a Rock Pipit...
  17. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    and not all litts have big supers.... Some have HONKERS though :)
  18. Jane Turner

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    Would you describe this as squared off or tapered? http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=18283
  19. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    and finally.. finally we see that there is no white in the outer web of the second outermost tail feather
  20. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    anyway back to pipits.... Huge numbers moving here all week!
  21. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Told you my memory was dodgy..... must have been Pom then!
  22. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Mind you Lancs have dropped all sorts from their rarities list which causes problems in Cheshire since we tend to accept birds seen from the Liverpool side of the Dee... I may have this wrong, but I recall a big debate abut species such as Storm Petrel and Long-tailed Skua not being description...
  23. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    Cheshire are not accepting any records of littoralis either.... unless in full breeding plumage... which is also a bit daft since there are 500+ out on the Dee marshes just now and two pairs breed in the county. I know that in Kent it is accepted that 99.9% (I made that stat up) are...
  24. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    The third one is a classic! And would be called at a Wapit by a lot of people!
  25. Jane Turner

    Pipit for discussion

    I only encountered Rockits (500+) on the Dee... will go back with a camera in better light without the wind!
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