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  1. Taphrospilus

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    After I have seen his death record (Cote 16D 96) here 16. Arrondisement with father Auguste Fremiet and mother Joséphine Frochot I doubt the uncle. I would have expected Werner and not Frochot if an uncle or the name of one of his wifes.
  2. Taphrospilus

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    Is a "peu parent" same as an uncle? What's the English word for "peu parent"?
  3. Taphrospilus

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    There seems a babtism entry of the son in 1826 in Paris according filae (État-civil - Relevés associatifs). Would be interesting to know when he died. The mother might have married 1840 in Paris here p. 36/51 to André Starck and died 1845 here p. 45/51. Does anyone know in which family...
  4. Taphrospilus

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    Is the whole Atlas Zoologie Expédition scientifique de Morée, entreprise et publiée par ordre du gouvernement français. Travaux de la section des sciences physiques somewhere online. Examples are e.g. here, here, here or here. But is not the complete zoological Atlas. Of course Botanique I was...
  5. Taphrospilus

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    I assume Collection iconographique des animaux utiles et d'agrément, mammifères, oiseaux, poissons, insectes, pouvant servir d'atlas au Bulletin de la Société imp. D'Acclimatation et à l'ouvrage de Isidore Geoffrey St Hilaire sur l'acclimitation des animaux with e.g. this plate...
  6. Taphrospilus

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    My question came from there as the plates/planches I have seen are not looking like Werner plates usually do. Or do you think the Eurasian hoopoe looks similar to what we see https://www.musinskyrarebooks.com/images/upload/musinsky-catalogue-two.pdf p. 78 in pdf (or 76 in the article). Of...
  7. Taphrospilus

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    sér.2:t.8 (1856) - Revue et magasin de zoologie pure et appliquée - Biodiversity Heritage Library
  8. Taphrospilus

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    Death record (Cote 4 E 3456) of her here p. 226/388 8. May 1907 in Lathuile. The mothers name is Grognot (and not Gragnot). Marriage here p. 31/51 25. April 1829 and died here p. 33/51 on 19. April 1844
  9. Taphrospilus

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    But there must be a reason why Marie Caroline Ma(g)deleine Werner here p. 5/51 (married in 1859 Jean Marie Chappelet here p. 50/51) got money for her education at the Maison impérial d'Écouen (Maison d’education de la legion d’honneur) (see attached letter) after the death of her father (if not...
  10. Taphrospilus

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    And just in case anyone search for her death here p. 8/12 can't be her death record in 1863. I assume oldes daughter Sophie Alexandrine Emma Werner p. 25/29 b. 16.May 1832 and married Jean Ract 5. May 1854 here p. 34/51 (no idea when she died). The other Joséphine Virginie Claire Werner...
  11. Taphrospilus

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    If we read Projet de loi (about his daughter Marie Caroline Werner b. 6. November 1839 he was Chevalier de l'Orde). His second wife here here p. 25/31 seems to be burried 1884 (but have died in 1883 enty 1690). For me it looks like she did not die in Paris. any idea where she died?
  12. Taphrospilus

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    In context with Werner I came accross a letter signed by Fred. Cuvier from 19. Juin 1855. It can't be him here the famous Jean-Léopold-Nicolas-Frédéric, Baron de, called Georges Cuvier. What is the full name and life dates of this Cuvier?
  13. Taphrospilus

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    From the marriage record of his partents here 94/111 and the birth record I would say his name was written at that time as Verner (and only later as Werner). But it is for sure him.
  14. Taphrospilus

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    A question is Histoire naturelle des perroquets : pour faire suite aux deux volumes de Levaillant, contenant les espèces laissées inédites par cet auteur ou récemment découvertes somwhere availble with better quality plates like e.g. the example?
  15. Taphrospilus

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    Here the coloured version.
  16. Taphrospilus

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    After I have sewen the documents from the Archive National de Paris https://francearchives.fr/fr/facomponent/d5ed5994e022ec87c794f668e14b8ad0fee8ff7e you are absoletly correct. This is him.👍
  17. Taphrospilus

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    Here p. 10/31 entry 782 probably his wife. Seems that she remarried.
  18. Taphrospilus

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    Don't think the 1818 born is the correct one as there are illustrations ca. 1830. A twelve year old boy as artist?
  19. Taphrospilus

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    I am pretty sure now his name was Jacques Chistophe Werner. He was first married with Anne Pauline Gragnot . They had three children. Second marriage was a Catherine Pierrette Champeaux (she died probably in Paris). According... According to Nissen no birth record in Montbéliard found. So...
  20. Taphrospilus

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    I read it that way Turdus naumanni (plate) is in fact Turdus obscurus J. F. Gmelin, 1789 (=Turdus werneri Gene 1832). Correct? But in this case the plate was published 1832 or before. P. S. There is still some small doubt that a Jean Charles Werner was at the Jardin des Plantes in 1860. Here...
  21. Taphrospilus

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    Suddenly yet a bird etymology question as the old key claims: Sorry I did not get the story of Turdus werneri. Where do we find Turdus naumanni Werner, 1842? Usually the artist is not the author. I assume the name was on a plate from Werner which was published before the description (or stand...
  22. Taphrospilus

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    Supported by https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3042452d/f1069
  23. Taphrospilus

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    But I still tend to Jacques Christophe WERNER.
  24. Taphrospilus

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    Johann Carl Werner would count for Jean Charles Werner.
  25. Taphrospilus

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    Does anyone know if the dedication for Cercopithecus Werneri a synonym for Chlorocebus sabaeus is for the natural history painter (as well nice bird plates) Jean-Charles Werner or Jacques-Christophe Werner? He was the teacher of Emmanuel Frémiet (1824–1910). Or was second name accidentily...
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