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White vs Pied Wagtail (1 Viewer)
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lou salomon
the birdonist
did you notice (or photograph) its rump colour? otherwise look pretty good for a (pure) yarellii, at least to my eyes.
MJB
Well-known member
Lou,
I think I'm right in saying that yarellii occurs in small numbers in the coastal hinterland from northern France to Friesland, but the ornithologists at Wageningen close to Rhenen probably have the latest distribution info.
MJB
lou salomon
the birdonist
it's probably the brownish-grey paler scapulars and poss. also on lower back that are disturbing. they are just old (juvenile or last year feathers?) while the rest seems to show renewed feathers.
yes, mjb, they occure from normandy to adjacent holland and some hybridization also is going on as well. but i tried to comment the photo, in which i don't see anything of the rump, thus the question.
yes, mjb, they occure from normandy to adjacent holland and some hybridization also is going on as well. but i tried to comment the photo, in which i don't see anything of the rump, thus the question.
Yarellii?
Hey guys,
Thanks so much for all your help! Unfortunately the only looks and pics I got were in this position; I never got a look at the rump! As I don't live in the Rhenen area, I also don't know how rare yarellii is over there. I have seen them before in the Netherlands though. However, this bird still doesn't necessarily strike me as a pure yarellii - hence the question about a possible hybrid.
Hey guys,
Thanks so much for all your help! Unfortunately the only looks and pics I got were in this position; I never got a look at the rump! As I don't live in the Rhenen area, I also don't know how rare yarellii is over there. I have seen them before in the Netherlands though. However, this bird still doesn't necessarily strike me as a pure yarellii - hence the question about a possible hybrid.
Southern Frogmouth
Well-known member
Wagtail
Hey Roy,
Thanks for your reply and your picture. They do indeed look very similar! I guess the overall lighter impression on my bird is due to the fact that it is photographed from underneath, and yours from above. But objectively, I can't see much difference either. Perhaps my bird looks marginally lighter/browner on the mantle and the shoulder?
I'll go with yarellii though. Didn't know they occurred that far inland - and in a forested area as well!
Eildert
Hey Roy,
Thanks for your reply and your picture. They do indeed look very similar! I guess the overall lighter impression on my bird is due to the fact that it is photographed from underneath, and yours from above. But objectively, I can't see much difference either. Perhaps my bird looks marginally lighter/browner on the mantle and the shoulder?
I'll go with yarellii though. Didn't know they occurred that far inland - and in a forested area as well!
Eildert
JANJ
Well-known member
What month is this wagtail taken?
In this pic it looks older than the suggestion given above due to darker primaries and primary coverts. The outer greater coverts is perhaps not seen here. A 2cy bird (if taken reasonable early in spring), would show brownish primaries, primary coverts and a few outer greater coverts and perhaps the upper tertial. If this is correct, the bird migt be an adult (2cy+), female Pied, reasonable dark foreflank.
JanJ
In this pic it looks older than the suggestion given above due to darker primaries and primary coverts. The outer greater coverts is perhaps not seen here. A 2cy bird (if taken reasonable early in spring), would show brownish primaries, primary coverts and a few outer greater coverts and perhaps the upper tertial. If this is correct, the bird migt be an adult (2cy+), female Pied, reasonable dark foreflank.
JanJ
