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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 17:17   #26
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As a keen birdwatcher, still photographer and videographer (as well as digiscoper and videoscoper) I welcome the idea of a reasonably priced DSLR that is capable of capturing video. My compact digicam and camcorder both shoot acceptable video through my scope. My DSLR and lenses I use for serious bird photography. To be able to use one camera capable of capturing good quality stills and video would save some weight in my backpack, not to mention the extra battery chargers when travelling.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 17:50   #27
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I now have 32gb in my 1DMKIIn which is 12gb more than my first desktop PC, also have 16 gb in my 40D
I've got 16GB in my 50D. That's 500 times larger than my first hard disk and 2000 times bigger than the first CF card I ever owned!
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 18:31   #28
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I've got 16GB in my 50D. That's 500 times larger than my first hard disk and 2000 times bigger than the first CF card I ever owned!
First PC I got was supposed to be with a 10mb hard drive but they had run out of 10 mb so fitted a 20mb for the same price, I could not believe my luck
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 18:35   #29
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Definately looks a great spec camera for the price,still using a 350d,which is a great little camera,never been tempted to upgrade until now,anybody know if accessories eg Battery grip are compatible with the 500d
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 18:55   #30
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How is someone giving a personal opinion regarded as complaining ? You obviously have far too much time on your hands to sit and nit pick instead of being constructive. Anyway, i have to go, im on TV in an hour, i wonder if they will be using a DSLR to film it........................................or perhaps not.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 19:24   #31
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Some people just love complaining, I bet they send their meals back when they eat out !!
Right...

So we can't have an opinion on the cameras aimed at us now? If we didn't have so many people voicing opinion, there would be very little positive development in DSLR's.

Like PostcardCv says, camera companies know the score, but I think with more people getting into photography and onto forums such as POTN, they are under more pressure to deliver good cams.

As for the ###D series, they're great little cameras - the image quality in many ways is very similar to the ##D series, but have less advanced features and are not as well built.
I've got a 400D now, but I will not be buying into the 500D; I can't see it as anything more than a marginal upgrade, that, for a significant lump of cash, will make very little real world difference to my images.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 19:47   #32
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Definately looks a great spec camera for the price,still using a 350d,which is a great little camera,never been tempted to upgrade until now,anybody know if accessories eg Battery grip are compatible with the 500d
350D battery grip is NOT compatible with 500D.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 19:50   #33
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Thanks macshark,may go for a 50d instead,especially if prices fall further when they bring out a 60d..bit of a dilemma
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 21:20   #34
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Thanks macshark,may go for a 50d instead,especially if prices fall further when they bring out a 60d..bit of a dilemma
A better choice if price come close and if you don't need the video.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2009, 22:02   #35
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From what I was able to read today, it appears that 50D and 500D have the same sensor. However, the 50D has still much better ergonomics:

1. Viewfinder:
EOS 50D:
  • 95% frame coverage
  • 0.95x magnification
  • 22mm eyepoint
EOS500D:
  • 95% frame coverage
  • 0.87x magnification
  • 19mm eyepoint

2. Controls
EOS 50D:
  • Quick control wheel
  • Multi control selector
EOS500D:
  • Four way controller
Being able to change the exposure compensation using the quick control wheel and change the AF point using the multi control selector without taking ones eye off the viewfinder may be a crucial ergonomic feature for many birders.

3. AF Sensor
EOS 50D: All 9 AF points are cross type at f/5.6
EOS500D: Only the center AF point is cross type at f/5.6

4. Frame rate
EOS 50D: 6.3 fps up to 90 JPEG / 16 RAW frames
EOS500D: 3.4 fps up to 170 JPEG / 9 RAW frames

5. Shutter
EOS 50D:
  • Max shutter speed 1/8000 sec
  • 100,000 exposure durability
  • Flash X-Sync: 1/250 sec
EOS500D:
  • Max shutter speed 1/4000 sec
  • Durability not specified
  • Flash X-Sync: 1/200 sec
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 01:21   #36
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True true. Jeff Poklen, a great Canon shooter from California has used the 10D right through the 50D and has even a few great shots with his Rebel XTI and perhaps one other.

Honestly, I've been wanting a second camera for a while, just to have two (my girlfriend likes to borrow one at times and I hate to be without). I've been waiting to see what Nikon will release soon but this new Rebel is tempting for sure. For the price a D400 will probably cost, I could get this camera and a Canon lens. Perhaps only costing a tad bit more but close enough.

The D400 had better have some significant advantages over this camera or I may very well buy my first Canon SLR. Just makes more sense to get a body and lens for the price of a body alone.
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 05:16   #37
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Come on! Canon cant even get it right without the video! look how many 40D's had to be returned with faulty shutters, mine included.
Adding a video to a DSLR would just be asking for more to go wrong IMOI.

Anyway I shall stick to my 30D for now & when they flood the market with gimmicky SLR's I will buy a pro body to avoid all this.

And thats my 2 pence worth!!!
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 06:22   #38
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Come on! Canon cant even get it right without the video! look how many 40D's had to be returned with faulty shutters, mine included.
Adding a video to a DSLR would just be asking for more to go wrong IMOI.
Isn't it the mirror mechanism that's the cause of the 40D problems rather than the shutter itself?

As I see it, the 500D is just another (small) step towards the day when they do without the mirror all together (similar to Panasonic G1). The main problem is getting an EVF to match the quality/experience of the reflex viewfinder and once they've got that sorted 'live view' will be the norm together with video again being the norm as it is on compact cameras.
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Definately looks a great spec camera for the price,still using a 350d,which is a great little camera,never been tempted to upgrade until now,anybody know if accessories eg Battery grip are compatible with the 500d
As has been said the grip won't be the same as the 350D one - the batteries are even smaller (the same as the 450D and 1000D ones).
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 07:10   #40
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Real daft statement that!
It was supposed to be !
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 07:16   #41
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Right...

So we can't have an opinion on the cameras aimed at us now? If we didn't have so many people voicing opinion, there would be very little positive development in DSLR's.

Like PostcardCv says, camera companies know the score, but I think with more people getting into photography and onto forums such as POTN, they are under more pressure to deliver good cams.

As for the ###D series, they're great little cameras - the image quality in many ways is very similar to the ##D series, but have less advanced features and are not as well built.
I've got a 400D now, but I will not be buying into the 500D; I can't see it as anything more than a marginal upgrade, that, for a significant lump of cash, will make very little real world difference to my images.
Of cause we have an opinion, but I think we should put things into perspective, we have entered into a great new era in photography and have never had so much control over our pics, and such superb equipment to hand.

Let's enjoy it.
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Old Thursday 26th March 2009, 07:50   #42
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For those who mock video in a DSLR, I was on a beach in South Georgia recently surrounded by about 50,000 King Penguins. I was with someone with a Nikon D90 (yes, I know this is the Canon forum, but this is relevant) who was delighted that his camera had a HD video mode. For sure, the majority of his time was spent shooting stills, but the ability to grab a couple of minutes of video will undoubtedly add to the pleasure of his reviewing experience when he gets home. Now, if only they could come up with a system that captures smells as well as pictures...

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I think at the end of the day Canon has to try and protect its market slice.
If its got video and the screen moves to 90 degrees its a plus not a negative.
At the moment I take my Sony Cyber-shot DSC N2 for any handheld video I want to take,
but I would be very pleased if I could take video through my camera.

BTW I came through the scoping way to DSLR and i always took a small video of the birds i just took a photo of.
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I picked up a 5d2 for the HD Video capability and I love it.

For those who suggest that you could just buy a Camcorder keep in mind that you can use all your canon lens with the movie mode. I use my 500mm and a 1.4TC all the time and the cost to do this in a video recorder would be very high. Here is a recent short piece of Sandhill Cranes from this combination

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You can also use Wide angle lens, Macro lens, Tilt/Shift etc.

I also am mystified by the argument that boils down to "It shouldn't have Video capability because I won't use it" If I decide I don't want to use AF, it would sound pretty stupid for me to suggest that the camera shouldn't have the function.
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The new Canon 500D is just competition for the Nikon D90 which offers video.
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Great Job as usual Harold, if you don't want video don't use it, I don't like in camera this and that so I don't use them very simple really.
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I have no objection to the addition of video or anything else, but if Canon (or anyone else) decided to keep a model for a few years and concentrate on improving its reliability, rather than always trying to update, then I know where I would be buying.
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It was inevitable seeing as Nikon have released one a few months ago. I bought the Nikon D90 recently which has video capability. I've never used it but it is nice to know it is there if needed. I also have the Canon SX1 IS mentioned above. It's a great little camera. The idea of having a 10MP camera with a 500mm lens equivalent swinging around your neck was quite appealing especially for getting record shots for blocking rarity comittee rejections. Paul
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fwiw I shoot a nikon d300 and have a small canon p&s for underwater shooting (because I can afford to drown one everyonce in a while that way). I thought video to be rather pointless but I've found I use it surprisingly often both above and below water to capture memories or behaviours that I just couldn't get any other way - mating/territorial displays, colour changing octopuses, mantas in water like soup that wouldn't allow flash use. The lack of a video option wouldn't (and didn't) prevent me buying a dslr but it would have swayed me from one manufacturer to another if only one offered it. I think canon will have felt they had to offer this.
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I picked up a 5d2 for the HD Video capability and I love it.

For those who suggest that you could just buy a Camcorder keep in mind that you can use all your canon lens with the movie mode. I use my 500mm and a 1.4TC all the time and the cost to do this in a video recorder would be very high. Here is a recent short piece of Sandhill Cranes from this combination

Sandhill Crane Pair

You can also use Wide angle lens, Macro lens, Tilt/Shift etc.

I also am mystified by the argument that boils down to "It shouldn't have Video capability because I won't use it" If I decide I don't want to use AF, it would sound pretty stupid for me to suggest that the camera shouldn't have the function.
Here Here Harold! I think its a great idea having seen yours and Romy's video's taken with the 5dmk2's i think all dslr's should have video feature.
I have a Canon XL2 video camera and also my dslr set-up and can't lug them all when out in the field so one camera that does both would be ideal for me.
I am very tempted with the 5dmk2 but waiting to see what else they unveil in the near future.

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