nikovich said:thanks for any help
Brown Creeper said:chats are southern birds.
Motmot said:Found this pic on the net of a young bird (I think) with pale legs and not too different from the thread bird. Everyone sure our bird is a Yellowthroat?
http://home.earthlink.net/~citybirder/images/ybchat.jpg
Motmot said:I´ve been trying to stay out of this thread because I´ve seen Yellow-breasted Chats only twice, adult looking birds, but I understand the pro chat posts. I guess is a Common Yellowthroat, looks possibly a short tailed bird and ok on coloration for C.Yellowthroat. But that bill looks on the big side for Yellowthroat and pale, Thayeri also mentions first fall female Chat on Dunn and Garrett looks much like it, illustration on Curson, Quinn and Beadle looks also fairly similar and text mentions juvenile chats have bill and legs flesh... mmmmh.....
Can we rule out for sure a juvenile Chat? :h?:
Found this pic on the net of a young bird (I think) with pale legs and not too different from the thread bird. Everyone sure our bird is a Yellowthroat?
http://home.earthlink.net/~citybirder/images/ybchat.jpg
affe22 said:One last thing, look at the throat and flanks on both birds. On the yellowthroat, the throat is solid yellow and the flanks are clearly a whitish color while on the chat eveything is bright yellow. If the first bird was a chat, I think we would see yellow flanks in the position it is in and we clearly don't. Combine that with bright pink legs compared to darker legs and what seems to be a shorter tail and it can't be a chat.
Thayeri said:Ah, but besides not having the prominent white spectacles, first fall female Chats also have a strong brown wash to their flanks, much like the subject bird.
affe22 said:In all the books I have looked in, it looks like there should be yellow going up under the base of the wing in all phases, which is visible on the original bird. I see what you are saying about the flanks though, but that is farther back than I was trying to describe. I kind of guessed on the tail, figuring at that the end of a longer tail would show past the branch. It just didn't look terribly long to me, but that is my opinion and no good for iding.