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shoveler x ? Uk (1 Viewer)
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chowchilla
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It looks a lot like an Australasian Shoveler to me but I believe there are hybrids that can look similar to this too...
By doing a very quick Google-search I found this:
http://www.fugler.no/bilder/spesial/20030609.htm
The relevant part of the caption freely translated:
"This hybrid shows many common features with Australasian Duck Anas rynchotis, but the fine dotting on an otherwise grey breast, the smaller bill and the dark eye suggest the involvement of Blue-winged Teal."
http://www.fugler.no/bilder/spesial/20030609.htm
The relevant part of the caption freely translated:
"This hybrid shows many common features with Australasian Duck Anas rynchotis, but the fine dotting on an otherwise grey breast, the smaller bill and the dark eye suggest the involvement of Blue-winged Teal."
Joern Lehmhus
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Eagle 33
your bird is certainly a hybrid BW Teal x Northern Shoveler; the dark eye is indeed one characteristic to rule out Anas rhynchotis: also teh breast pattern is batter fore hybrd bluewinged x shoveler than for rhynchotis.
dificult in your case IanF, but are you sure that your bird is indeed Australian shoveler? It looks small compared to the tufted duck and the bill does also look a bit more delicat than I´d expect for rhynchotis , and there is no hint of a yellow eye visible (I am not able to id it safely fronm this photo but my gut feeling is also hybrid BW Teal x shoveler here)--any more photos of that one?
Regards, Jörn
your bird is certainly a hybrid BW Teal x Northern Shoveler; the dark eye is indeed one characteristic to rule out Anas rhynchotis: also teh breast pattern is batter fore hybrd bluewinged x shoveler than for rhynchotis.
dificult in your case IanF, but are you sure that your bird is indeed Australian shoveler? It looks small compared to the tufted duck and the bill does also look a bit more delicat than I´d expect for rhynchotis , and there is no hint of a yellow eye visible (I am not able to id it safely fronm this photo but my gut feeling is also hybrid BW Teal x shoveler here)--any more photos of that one?
Regards, Jörn
Joern Lehmhus
Well-known member
Eagle 33, concerning your bird
for cinammon x shoveler the brest would be more reddish and less spotted..also that would show an orange or reddish eye..
for cinammon x shoveler the brest would be more reddish and less spotted..also that would show an orange or reddish eye..
eagle33
Craig Shaw
Joern and all Many thanks. My first impression was Shoveler x Blue winged teal.
Thanks for confirming that for me.
Craig
IanF
Moderator
It's just a suggested ID from the photos. No more photos I'm afriad. This was taken close on dusk. A few of us tried to locate it agin in better lighting on subsequent days but it's not been seen again.
It's not beyond the realms of impossibilities that it could even be the same bird!
Binocularface
You've all got one...............!
Hi,
Having seen this bird over the weekend I would agree that it is most likely a Northern Shoveler x Blue-winged Teal hybrid. I have to admit my rather uneducated initial impression was that of a New Zealand Shoveler. It is amazing how similar these hybrids can be to the latter species. However with a bit more knowledge the structure, size and plumage/eye subtleties are fairly clear.
Going back to the eclipse drake Blue-winged Teal that was in Durham earlier this year. There were some people mooting the possibilty that the bird may have been infact a New Zealand Shoveler or hybrid Blue-winged Teal x Northern Shoveler. Clearly compared to the Cumbria bird and a typical New Zealand Shoveler the Durham birds size and structure was very different!
Regards
Tristan
Having seen this bird over the weekend I would agree that it is most likely a Northern Shoveler x Blue-winged Teal hybrid. I have to admit my rather uneducated initial impression was that of a New Zealand Shoveler. It is amazing how similar these hybrids can be to the latter species. However with a bit more knowledge the structure, size and plumage/eye subtleties are fairly clear.
Going back to the eclipse drake Blue-winged Teal that was in Durham earlier this year. There were some people mooting the possibilty that the bird may have been infact a New Zealand Shoveler or hybrid Blue-winged Teal x Northern Shoveler. Clearly compared to the Cumbria bird and a typical New Zealand Shoveler the Durham birds size and structure was very different!
Regards
Tristan
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