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June05--the second half (1 Viewer)
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Pete Haynes
Pete H
The W near the trailing edge leads me to think brocade
Andy,
It it not yet another worn Dusky Brocade?
Pete H
Andy,
It it not yet another worn Dusky Brocade?
Pete H
Cuckoo-shrike
Well-known member
Aaaarrgghhh! :eek!:Pete Haynes said:
Thanks Pete!
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
Pete Haynes said:
Thanks Pete. I am still puzzled. I've attached an unequivocal Scarce Footie from last year, a Common Footman and the latest one. The wings appear to be much more like the Common than the Scarce to me. The broadness of the wings has even had me thinking Buff Footman Eilema deplana.
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Pete Haynes
Pete H
brianhstone said:
Perhaps the wings aren't as folded as I first thought, but then you may just have caught it like that? It certainly looks like Common wings with Scarce head!
Who knows?
Pete H
black52bird
Registered User
Hoplodrina sp and Footman
Further to Brian et al's discussion of Common Footman or not - here's the one I caught last night (Balcony and personal new species).
And further to the discussion Brian and I were having about the second Hoplodrina pic posted above, which I was...dare I say? .... uncertain about, well I have examined it's hind wings and they are blindingly white. Which seems to put it closer to H. superstes or ambigua..... from looking at Waring and Skinner.
I am enclosing some more pictures in the hope that some of our more experienced moth-ers might have some suggestions to make.
Very best
David
Further to Brian et al's discussion of Common Footman or not - here's the one I caught last night (Balcony and personal new species).
And further to the discussion Brian and I were having about the second Hoplodrina pic posted above, which I was...dare I say? .... uncertain about, well I have examined it's hind wings and they are blindingly white. Which seems to put it closer to H. superstes or ambigua..... from looking at Waring and Skinner.
I am enclosing some more pictures in the hope that some of our more experienced moth-ers might have some suggestions to make.
Very best
David
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Pete Haynes
Pete H
Last night
Not a bad night with 156 moths of 90+ species including 49 macros and all the micros, not all of which are id'd yet. Min 15.2 deg C, cloudy, still but drizzly during the night.
Only one new macro, piccie below. Is it a White-point
! or is it just a Clay. The shape and possibly the colour say White-point and both have a smoky grey hindwing and an underside abdominal bar near the thorax! I still have it in the fridge.
I have attached a couple of distinctive micros and a Pug from today. I spent ages today id'ing some of my list of micros and haven't reached today by a mile yet! Just concentrating on the Tortices - at least a lot of them are distinctive!
All the best
Pete H
Not a bad night with 156 moths of 90+ species including 49 macros and all the micros, not all of which are id'd yet. Min 15.2 deg C, cloudy, still but drizzly during the night.
Only one new macro, piccie below. Is it a White-point
! or is it just a Clay. The shape and possibly the colour say White-point and both have a smoky grey hindwing and an underside abdominal bar near the thorax! I still have it in the fridge.I have attached a couple of distinctive micros and a Pug from today. I spent ages today id'ing some of my list of micros and haven't reached today by a mile yet! Just concentrating on the Tortices - at least a lot of them are distinctive!
All the best
Pete H
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Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
I'll have a go at the last two:
#3. Bramble Shoot Moth Epiblema uddmanniana (75%)
#4. Bird-cherry Ermine Yponomeuta evonymella (50%) - Assumes it is the right size and a better photo from the side would help.
#3. Bramble Shoot Moth Epiblema uddmanniana (75%)
#4. Bird-cherry Ermine Yponomeuta evonymella (50%) - Assumes it is the right size and a better photo from the side would help.
Pete Haynes
Pete H
Thanks Brianbrianhstone said:
Pete H
Surreybirder
Ken Noble
last night of June
I ran my 25W actinic last night. Nothing too sensational.
Common footman
willow beauty
flame
July highflyer (nfy)
dark arches
buff-tip
fan-foot (nfy)
green pug
light emerald
dun-bar (nfy)
dusky brocade -- I think
common/smoky wainscot
ingrailed clay
Large yellow underwing
+lots of uncertain/rustics
+ c6 micro species.
Ken
I ran my 25W actinic last night. Nothing too sensational.
Common footman
willow beauty
flame
July highflyer (nfy)
dark arches
buff-tip
fan-foot (nfy)
green pug
light emerald
dun-bar (nfy)
dusky brocade -- I think
common/smoky wainscot
ingrailed clay
Large yellow underwing
+lots of uncertain/rustics
+ c6 micro species.
Ken
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Pete Haynes
Pete H
Id's and last night
Hi Angus,
I'm happy with all three of those Id's now. The 3,000 acres of Surrey I look after has huge amounts of Bilberry on it, some just over the road from my house, so Bilberry Pug is not unexpected. The body and slightly worn wing markings all match up. The same thing happened with Foxglove Pug - I've had quite a few now.
Last night was quieter than recently - temp down to 11.6 deg C but, just as important I think, was the poor weather during the day, with a fair amount of rain and the accompanying coolness. Dry and mainly clear after dark. The two traps pulled in over 100 moths of 47 species, including all micros. New for me were :
July Highflyer (a smart green one) |=)|
Four-dotted Footman |=)|
Rustic (at last) |=)|
plus another nice Swallow-tailed Moth and several Common and Scarce Footman. Another annoying little moth that I cannot tie down.
Two pictures below show top and side views. It is Lutestring size but no resemblance can I find in the book!! :stuck: - HELP. I bet its obvious when I'm told!
Three more micros from last night too. Lengths 12mm (0161t), 10mm (0162t) and 5mm (0145t).
All the best
Pete H
Hi Angus,
I'm happy with all three of those Id's now. The 3,000 acres of Surrey I look after has huge amounts of Bilberry on it, some just over the road from my house, so Bilberry Pug is not unexpected. The body and slightly worn wing markings all match up. The same thing happened with Foxglove Pug - I've had quite a few now.
Last night was quieter than recently - temp down to 11.6 deg C but, just as important I think, was the poor weather during the day, with a fair amount of rain and the accompanying coolness. Dry and mainly clear after dark. The two traps pulled in over 100 moths of 47 species, including all micros. New for me were :
July Highflyer (a smart green one) |=)|
Four-dotted Footman |=)|
Rustic (at last) |=)|
plus another nice Swallow-tailed Moth and several Common and Scarce Footman. Another annoying little moth that I cannot tie down.
Two pictures below show top and side views. It is Lutestring size but no resemblance can I find in the book!! :stuck: - HELP. I bet its obvious when I'm told!
Three more micros from last night too. Lengths 12mm (0161t), 10mm (0162t) and 5mm (0145t).
All the best
Pete H
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Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
The first looks like one of those Dingy Shears (Enargia ypsillon) we've been seeing on here recently. I don't recognise the others at first glance.
black52bird
Registered User
Bee Moth and others
Brian, and others
I've had a look at the 2 Aphomia specimens I caught (in June...yes, I know it's July, but I'm referring back!!) - the same species, and I managed to photograph one with its wings open which reveal a grey hind wing, which in Goater seems to be closer to Bee moth (Aphomia sociella) than to Melissoblaptes zelleri......, as do the relative size of the black discal spots. So I think that's what I'll call it. 2 more photos below (1 +2).
Last night also saw me catching the first of the year for:
Dun Bar (pic 3) - a very orange specimen
Yellow Shell (pic 4) - a corker!!!
and a first ever of
Garden Rose Tortrix.
Any comments from those of you who know the Bee Moth/M zelleri?
best
David
Brian, and others
I've had a look at the 2 Aphomia specimens I caught (in June...yes, I know it's July, but I'm referring back!!) - the same species, and I managed to photograph one with its wings open which reveal a grey hind wing, which in Goater seems to be closer to Bee moth (Aphomia sociella) than to Melissoblaptes zelleri......, as do the relative size of the black discal spots. So I think that's what I'll call it. 2 more photos below (1 +2).
Last night also saw me catching the first of the year for:
Dun Bar (pic 3) - a very orange specimen
Yellow Shell (pic 4) - a corker!!!
and a first ever of
Garden Rose Tortrix.
Any comments from those of you who know the Bee Moth/M zelleri?
best
David
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Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
Angus T said:
That is a much better call.
Pete Haynes
Pete H
Id's
Thanks Angus, Brian,
Minor Shoulder Knot is absolutely perfect. What fooled me is that it rolled itself up tight like a Lutestring, unlike my first MSK a few days ago. The three micros look on the ball too. Does the Blastobasis decolorella have a variety of background colours. Other picces I have seem to be much lighter and have small darkish marks across them?
Thanks
Pete H
Thanks Angus, Brian,
Minor Shoulder Knot is absolutely perfect. What fooled me is that it rolled itself up tight like a Lutestring, unlike my first MSK a few days ago. The three micros look on the ball too. Does the Blastobasis decolorella have a variety of background colours. Other picces I have seem to be much lighter and have small darkish marks across them?
Thanks
Pete H
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