New Forest Grasshopper and Bush Cricket for id. (1 Viewer)

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pppppvvvv

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• Dec 23, 2017

• #1

Hi, Can I have some assistance with the two pics please..

My best guesses are Heath Grasshopper, and the Bog BushCricket.

Both were in the New Forest, the Grasshopper in prime heathland habitat, and the Bushcricket in a damp heathland area.

thanks

 

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aeshna5

Well-known member

• Dec 23, 2017

• #2

I think you're wrong on both.

Not Heath Grasshopper as the dorsal thoracic keels are the wrong shape. Looks like Meadow to me.

Bush-cricket is Dark BC.

 

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pppppvvvv

Guest

• Dec 27, 2017

• #3

They certainly aren't the easiest group for me.

For the bush Cricket.. I'm seeing a wing halfway along the body, which would rule out Dark Bush Cricket?

 

Ficedula

velico ergo sum

• Dec 27, 2017

• #4

peter.jones said:

They certainly aren't the easiest group for me.

For the bush Cricket.. I'm seeing a wing halfway along the body, which would rule out Dark Bush Cricket?

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You are right, both wing extension and form of cerci rule out P. griseoaptera. This is Metrioptera brachyptera.

 

pdwinter

Paul Winter

• Dec 27, 2017

• #5

Hi Peter

Glad someone else finds orthoptera none too easy!

First pic Meadow GH, Second pic Bog BC.

This post has some pictures of Heath Grasshopper - it is extremely localised in the New Forest.

I have a feeling that when summer comes and I go out to look for grasshoppers then I'll have to re-learn all the ID yet again!

I found this page very useful

Paul

 

Stuart Goodwin

Well-known member

• Dec 27, 2017

• #6

There were only a few species.......

pdwinter said:

Hi Peter

Glad someone else finds orthoptera none too easy!

First pic Meadow GH, Second pic Bog BC.

This post has some pictures of Heath Grasshopper - it is extremely localised in the New Forest.

I have a feeling that when summer comes and I go out to look for grasshoppers then I'll have to re-learn all the ID yet again!

I found this page very useful

Paul

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A complex group for such few species. I’ve taken to photographing everyone with a hope eventually I will be able to ID.

Regards

 

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pppppvvvv

Guest

• Dec 27, 2017

• #7

Thanks everyone, thanks Paul for the links.
I've also looked at the nbn atlas which has some pretty good distribution data (https://nbnatlas.org/)

I took a wrong turn id'ing the Grasshopper, thinking that Meadow Grasshoppers all had very short wings, which isn't the case. Now have a nice mini-project lined up for next summer finding Heath Grasshopper for real!