Larus sp. ?? (1 Viewer)

03.04.11 in Turkey - SAMSUN . Larus spp. ??

hi tsingy and a warm welcome to birdforum!

interesting place to watch large gulls.
now your gull definitley belongs to the larus fuscus group. dark grey mantled adults in spring are notoriously hard to ID if it comes to subspecies level: graellsii/intermedius or heuglini/barabensis? on location, even though some intermedius from south scandinavia stray through western black sea and the aegean, heuglini or barabensis would be the more likely candidates. compared to the baltic gulls = larus fuscus fuscus nearby it looks dark enough, large and long-legged enough to be a siberian gull or heuglin's gull, larus fuscus heuglini. but hard to exclude barabensis here. do you have an open wing shot or a better resolution pic (crop of one of the larger ones)?

http://gull-research.org/heuglini/05cyjan.html

nice combo of larus sp. in the upper right pic: baltic, siberian, mediterranean and prob. caspian.

regards,

Hi lou salomon

First of all , thank you for your answer.I dont have any photo the larger ones when open wing shot. I ' ll add better resolution pic . However , this bird has one mirror on the primary flying feathers . Maybe it can be help for identification.

If this is not a LBBG (graellsii) but something else (if now possible to dertermine), I would suggest heuglini over barabensis due to structure.

JanJ

Many thanks to everyone.