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countability of bird species in Oahu, Hawaii (1 Viewer)

peachfront

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countability of bird species in Oahu, Hawaii ?

Folks, I have recently returned from a brief visit to Oahu, Hawaii, and I have a few questions I'd like to throw out there. We saw Koloa at the Ka'elepulu Wetland Preserve, however, the guide mentioned that there is considerable hybridization observed with Mallard and there is some debate about whether these Oahu birds should be counted. This would be a life bird for me, so I don't want to put it on my list if there is any question about whether it should be counted. Any consensus here?

I saw Feral Junglefowl on my own in the rainforest patch around Manoa Falls and Lyon Arboretum -- a good area by the way to easily find some of the most interesting birds like White-Rumped Shama, Red-Billed Leotrix, and Red-Whiskered Bulbul. Again, not clear on the countability of these Red or Feral Junglefowl. Again, as it would be a life bird, I'm leaning toward not counting the Junglefowl unless the consensus is that these are a true species.

A search of the forum suggests it has been awhile since Oahu has been discussed. When I get my trip report online, I'll post a link in this thread. For now, I'll just say that if you have only a day and want to grab a good area by bus, for birds and hiking and waterfalls, you could do a lot worse than taking the #5 bus to the Manoa terminus and spending the day hiking to the falls and exploring the nearby Lyon Arboretum. Apparently car break-in is a huge problem on Oahu, so the bus is a less stressful option since you can hop off and be on your way without worry. Some birds in the area are clearly noncountables, such as the large mixed flock of Cockatoo species with male Eclectus (!), but they are fun to watch. And you will find the Shama, Leotrix, Bulbuls, and more very easily. The Ka'elepulu reserve is small but also a "must" stop since at a glance we had the Hawaiian Coot, Hawaiian Gallinule, Hawaiian Black-Necked Stilt -- three endemics, one a full species (the coot).
 
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Koloa and Junglefowl

My understanding is that the only pure Koloa are on Kauai and a few at higher elevations on the Big Island. I think the only truly countable Red Junglefowl in Hawaii are those near Koke'e State Park in the mountains on Kauai, which are descended from those brought to Hawaii by Polynesians. The remainder (including on lowland Kauai) are considered feral. Of course, this is all easy for me to say since I've been to Hanalei NWR and Koke'e on Kauai and seen each of your ambiguous birds there. You can add alot of exotics to your life list on Oahu, though!

peachfront said:
Folks, I have recently returned from a brief visit to Oahu, Hawaii, and I have a few questions I'd like to throw out there. We saw Koloa at the Ka'elepulu Wetland Preserve, however, the guide mentioned that there is considerable hybridization observed with Mallard and there is some debate about whether these Oahu birds should be counted. This would be a life bird for me, so I don't want to put it on my list if there is any question about whether it should be counted. Any consensus here?

I saw Feral Junglefowl on my own in the rainforest patch around Manoa Falls and Lyon Arboretum -- a good area by the way to easily find some of the most interesting birds like White-Rumped Shama, Red-Billed Leotrix, and Red-Whiskered Bulbul. Again, not clear on the countability of these Red or Feral Junglefowl. Again, as it would be a life bird, I'm leaning toward not counting the Junglefowl unless the consensus is that these are a true species.

A search of the forum suggests it has been awhile since Oahu has been discussed. When I get my trip report online, I'll post a link in this thread. For now, I'll just say that if you have only a day and want to grab a good area by bus, for birds and hiking and waterfalls, you could do a lot worse than taking the #5 bus to the Manoa terminus and spending the day hiking to the falls and exploring the nearby Lyon Arboretum. Apparently car break-in is a huge problem on Oahu, so the bus is a less stressful option since you can hop off and be on your way without worry. Some birds in the area are clearly noncountables, such as the large mixed flock of Cockatoo species with male Eclectus (!), but they are fun to watch. And you will find the Shama, Leotrix, Bulbuls, and more very easily. The Ka'elepulu reserve is small but also a "must" stop since at a glance we had the Hawaiian Coot, Hawaiian Gallinule, Hawaiian Black-Necked Stilt -- three endemics, one a full species (the coot).
 
Amending my post a bit

This source indicates that there are pure Koloa on Oahu:

On O'ahu many birds are hybrids with feral Mallards, but "pure" birds can be seen at and near James Campbell NWR and Pearl Harbor NWR.

If you were at one of those locations (and I suppose that might not be exclusive) and matched all the comparative field marks between Koloa and Mallard, it looks like you can count it. The same source agrees with my first post about the junglefowl, though:

This is the "original chicken" of Asia brought to Hawaii by the Polynesians and the very distant ancestors of these birds roam free on Kaua'i today. Although Junglefowl-type birds can be seen in almost any location, to see "pure and countable" birds a visit to Koke'e or the higher elevations forests is recommended. At Koke'e State Park birds are usually numerous by the Museum, awaiting handouts from tourists, although the pureness of these birds appears to have been greatly diluted in recent years and it may be that a re-appraisal of the species status is needed. Birds seen further into the forest in Koke'e and Waimea Canyon may be a little more "wild" and perhaps more countable. The birds in lowland Kauai, of which some appear to be pure birds are hard to miss, a statement borne out by the number of birds seen squashed on the road! Today the birds that roam O'ahu and other islands in the chain are probably as countable as most of the Kaua'i birds, however, these birds are almost entirely purely introduced chicken-type birds, rather than Junglefowl-type birds and it seems unlikley that any genes would be present to tie these individuals with original Junglefowl, which may be the case with the Kaua'i birds - perhaps a case study could clarify the situation?

emupilot said:
My understanding is that the only pure Koloa are on Kauai and a few at higher elevations on the Big Island. I think the only truly countable Red Junglefowl in Hawaii are those near Koke'e State Park in the mountains on Kauai, which are descended from those brought to Hawaii by Polynesians. The remainder (including on lowland Kauai) are considered feral. Of course, this is all easy for me to say since I've been to Hanalei NWR and Koke'e on Kauai and seen each of your ambiguous birds there. You can add alot of exotics to your life list on Oahu, though!
 
Thanks. I am not counting my Koloa or Junglefowl then. My Koloa were seen at Ka-elepulu. I also saw at least one bird there that was visibly a hybrid. There are just too many doubts in my mind to feel comfortable counting them. I've almost finished my trip report, when I do, I will post the links. I saw plenty of other good birds in Oahu, such as White Tern, White-Rumped Shama, Brown and Red-Footed Boobies, and more. No need to inflate the list...
 
Red Junglefowl ? White-rumped Shama ? Red-vented Bulbul ? Red-billed Leiothrix !!?....Your having a laugh surely ? Go to India and see some real ones ! ;)
 
Certainly I would love to but reality suggests that my airline (Northwest) gives many cheap flights to HNL, while I have never had any good luck finding affordable travel to India. Hopefully one day.


Larry Wheatland said:
Red Junglefowl ? White-rumped Shama ? Red-vented Bulbul ? Red-billed Leiothrix !!?....Your having a laugh surely ? Go to India and see some real ones ! ;)
 
peachfront said:
Certainly I would love to but reality suggests that my airline (Northwest) gives many cheap flights to HNL, while I have never had any good luck finding affordable travel to India. Hopefully one day.

Best of luck Peachfront. For my part I'd love to make it to Hawaii one day.
 
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