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Peter Kovalik

Peter Kovalik

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TiF Update March 2:
The flamingos have been slightly reordered based on Torres et al. (2014).

Chris R Torres, Lisa M Ogawa, Mark AF Gillingham, Brittney Ferrari, Marcel van Tuinen. A multi-locus inference of the evolutionary diversification of extant flamingos (Phoenicopteridae). BMC Evolutionary Biology 2014, 14:36 (1 March 2014)

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Interesting results, but it doesn't show any need to change the currect nomenclature: Lesser Flamingo doesn't require the suggested genus change to satisfy monophyly of any group in the family. I'd think nomenclatural stability is more important.
 
Phoenicopterus ruber

Frias, R., Tindle, E., Espinosa, G., Blomberg, S., Studer-Thiersch, A., Wink, M., Tindle, R.: Genetic and phenotypic evidence supports evolutionary divergence of the American flamingo (Phoenicopterus ruber) population in the Galápagos Islands. Waterbirds (accepted) (2014).
 
Proposal (644) to SACC:

Revise the classification of the Phoenicopteridae.

Alvaro Jaramillo, September 2014:

A- Merge Phoenicoparrus into Phoenicopterus – I recommend a NO.
B- Tweak the linear sequence of flamingos to conform to the convention of least-diverse branch first. I recommend a YES.

Proposal (645) to SACC:

Change the English name of James's Flamingo (P. jamesi) to Puna Flamingo
 
Peter Kovalik said:
Proposal (644) to SACC:

Revise the classification of the Phoenicopteridae.

Alvaro Jaramillo, September 2014:

A- Merge Phoenicoparrus into Phoenicopterus – I recommend a NO.
B- Tweak the linear sequence of flamingos to conform to the convention of least-diverse branch first. I recommend a YES.

Proposal (645) to SACC:

Change the English name of James's Flamingo (P. jamesi) to Puna Flamingo I recommend a NO.
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Listen to your public...
 
Galápagos

Frias-Soler, Tindle, Espinosa Lopez, Blomberg, Studer-Thiersch, Wink & Tindle 2014. Genetic and phenotypic evidence supports evolutionary divergence of the American Flamingo (Phoenicopterus ruber) population in the Galápagos Islands. Waterbirds 37(4): 349–361. [abstract]
 
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MJB said:
I seem to remember elsewhere a proposal to merge Phoeniconias and Phoenicoparrus. If my memory has served (I'm away from my references), does this mean there will be two incompatible current 'rearrangements'?
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Torres et al 2014 (post #1) proposes the merging of Phoeniconaias into Phoenicoparrus.

SACC has followed Torres et al (although Phoeniconaias is extralimital), but has then gone further by merging Phoenicoparrus into Phoenicopterus.
 
Richard Klim said:
Torres et al 2014 (post #1) proposes the merging of Phoeniconaias into Phoenicoparrus.

SACC has followed Torres et al (although Phoeniconaias is extralimital), but has then gone further by merging Phoenicoparrus into Phoenicopterus.
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Actually no, not the way I read this page: http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCPropChart631+.htm

According to that, proposal A was 5:5 and did therefore not pass; what did pass was proposal B, (10:0) for rearranging the order of species in the list.

It was a little strange reading the comments to this proposal, in that the members have frequently argued against having a "% DNA difference determine if a group of species are 1 or 2 genera" and in this case see several of them argue exactly the opposite.

Niels

Edit: if there are notes elsewhere with a different counting of the votes, then I am curious to see them
 
njlarsen said:
Actually no, not the way I read this page: http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCPropChart631+.htm
According to that, proposal A was 5:5 and did therefore not pass; what did pass was proposal B, (10:0) for rearranging the order of species in the list.

Edit: if there are notes elsewhere with a different counting of the votes, then I am curious to see them
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Niels, you're right about the voting as indicated in the Proposal Tracking Chart, which seems inconsistent with the conclusion in the Proposal Roster:
644. Revise the classification of the Phoenicopteridae: A. Merge Phoenicoparrus into Phoenicopterus (Jaramillo) PASSED (17 January 2015)
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PS. Amended, 20 Jan 2015: "644B. Revise the classification of the Phoenicopteridae: Modify linear sequence of species (Jaramillo) PASSED (20 January 2015)"

Van Remsen: "did not pass: Merge flamingo genera".
 
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Neither part has been implemented in the actual SACC list yet, so that does not help either.

Niels
 
Galápagos: glyphorhynchus?

Richard Klim said:
Frias-Soler, Tindle, Espinosa Lopez, Blomberg, Studer-Thiersch, Wink & Tindle 2014. Genetic and phenotypic evidence supports evolutionary divergence of the American Flamingo (Phoenicopterus ruber) population in the Galápagos Islands. Waterbirds 37(4): 349–361. [abstract]
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l_raty said:
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A recognition of this taxon as a distinct subspecies appears to be warranted with regard to its genetic and morphological differences.
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H&M4...
Phoenicopterus ruber... Includes glyphorhynchus Gray, 1869; see Salvin (1876). Use of this name in popular literature and reports that the Galapagos birds differ visibly from others the potential diagnosability of this taxon merits review.
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