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Levenhuk Sherman Pro 12x50 (1 Viewer)

chris6

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United Kingdom
What
Sherman Pro 12x50 is around £118 from Microglobe with £9 p&p.
The binoculars are dark green in colour, nearly black, nicely finished in smooth but grippy rubber, feeling dense but by no means too heavy.
There are nicely fitting eyepiece rain guards and loop-attached drop down objective covers.

Why
Curiosity because some Levenhuk models look almost identical to obsolete Lynx Forester Porros.
(My porro Forester ZR 8x32 WP had the potential to be quite excellent although it needed sorting out, but that's another story :) )
For occasional use to see details of distant small birds etc., while avoiding the cost of alphas which would not be reasonable just for this.

Design
Imo there is nothing at all wrong with porros, except when weather proofing is required. In fact the Nikon EII and SE models perform as well, or arguably better than, much more expensive roof prisms, and they even have significant advantages with respect to cost, field of view, brightness, freedom from CA, and 3D effect. In general porros can be easier to hold steadily (possibly making 12x useable hand held) but weatherproofing may certainly render focus functions problematic. Usually it makes this sticky and very heavy with massive free play, but luckily? my Sherman is quite ok in those respects - it really stands out by being reasonably light and smooth, with no play in spite of supposed protection with nitrogen against fogging and water ingress.

QC
A slip of paper was included which indicated that the example had been individually checked. If so full marks, and mine had no functional flaws except that a tiny grub screw securing the setting of the main hinge screw was 2mm too long. This prevented the plastic cap with '12x50' decorative disc stuck to it from being level. Very fiddly but happily it did not get lost in the process of putting it right. It was easily corrected by grinding a bit off the grub screw, before refitting the plastic cap with its central screw and re-attaching the decoration disc with double sided sticky tape. More importantly the focus action and alignment seemed absolutely fine, and for me the dioptre setting was normal at 0 degrees.

Optics
The main thing was that the Sherman was sharp in the centre and e.g. good enough to show more detail than e.g. Nikon EII 10x35.
Obvious distortion at 50% of the view, e.g. more than Nikon 12x50, which was relatively pallid and less sharp at the centre.
Close focus >30ft, not good!
Colour, contrast, brightness: unremarkable at this price i.e. mediocre in comparisons with much more expensive binoculars but satisfactory on their own.
  • BAK4 Porro Prisms
  • 5-Element/3-Group Eyepiece Lens
  • Fully Multi-Coated Optics
  • 67° Apparent Angle of View
  • Magnification: 12x
  • Objective Lens Diameter: 50 mm
  • Angle of View: 5.6° (Actual)
  • Field of View: 98 m @ 1000 m
  • Minimum Focus Distance: 7 m (>30ft!)
  • Exit Pupil Diameter: 4.2 mm
  • 3 position click up eye pieces
  • Eye Relief: 18 mm (probably accurate and i.e. fine with glasses)
  • Dimensions: 7.8 x 6.9 x 2.5" / 19.8 x 17.5 x 6.4 cm
  • Weight: 980g (but in the hand feels similar to 10x50 roof)
 
Thanks for the review. I've been very interested in the 10x50 Sherman Pro, given the good reviews of the 6.5x32 and 8x32 in Allbinos, and the fact that they look remarkably similar to the Vixen Foresta series (which I think are pretty impressive for the price).
I think 12x50 is just too much for me (I've had a couple, but ended up not using them), so 10x50 really interest me.
5,6º FOV sounds pretty nice for a 12x.
I know it can be difficult, but if you have to compare the performance with a current roof series (say, Nikon Prostaff 5, 7, Monarch 5, etc., or any other brand, for that matter), could you make an estimate of where would that be? Thanks!!
 
Thanks for the reply. "For the price" I think they are ok, which really means that good light is required to get much benefit of 12x. The sweet spot is small cf the similar Pentax SP 12x50 WP, although that has narrower "4.2 degrees". I think sharpness etc. is also ok for the price but inferior to the smaller porros I still have, as well as e.g. to roof prism Meopta HD 12x50.

While 12x may give the impression of seeing more than 'just' 8x or 10x, I reckon that the brain can also make up for less physical magnification. For some reason I found those larger porros much easier to hold steady than the Meopta which I had thought otherwise very good, and anyway that large size can make them feel less dense, to reduce apparent weight. At any magnification I definitely prefer 4mm exit pupil for comfort too, hence 50mm objectives needed for 12x, and that seems to go with better eye relief for glasses.

What 12x50s could you not get on with? Unfortunately I don't think there is a 12x50 Nikon EII but other examples of both types at various sizes and prices have had more or less free play in the focus action. Waterproof porros tend to have more or less sticky focus as well, so roofs win there. Of course better QC and obtaining a larger part of the view in focus involves greater expense, but perhaps it would help to look within a range like Vortex Razor> Viper> Diamondback. I have not seen any of them myself but did you see this post Vortex 12x50 ?
 
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Hi Chris, thank you very much for the review. One of the few on modern Porro binoculars. Thanks in this regard also to yarrellii.
I am also considering ... already because of good memories of my unfortunately sold Jenoptem 10x50W from CZJ. Now I have an 8x42 and a 10x42. I imagined the differences to be a bit bigger, an inexpensive 12x50 would be interesting.
However, I live in an area without special distance vision, to the next hill I do not drag heavy binoculars, maybe car. Well, for me it would be like this: I have a solution and I am looking for the right problem. But tell me, what % of the field of view radius seems sharp to you? Otherwise, I wish you many interesting problems for your chosen solution. ;-)
Best regards. Jessie

For amateur astronomers, almost the same entry level binoculars are offered, probably United Optics Kunming, PRC.
and

Unfortunately, United Optics Kunming only builds entry-level porros with a central focus. Better (and heavier) bins are with IF. Too bad.
The next binoculars will probably reasonably be a Nikon EII 8x30, Kite Lynx HD+ 8x30 or a Nikon MHG 8x30.
 
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What
Sherman Pro 12x50 is around £118 from Microglobe with £9 p&p.
The binoculars are dark green in colour, nearly black, nicely finished in smooth but grippy rubber, feeling dense but by no means too heavy.
There are nicely fitting eyepiece rain guards and loop-attached drop down objective covers.

Why
Curiosity because some Levenhuk models look almost identical to obsolete Lynx Forester Porros.
(My porro Forester ZR 8x32 WP had the potential to be quite excellent although it needed sorting out, but that's another story :) )
For occasional use to see details of distant small birds etc., while avoiding the cost of alphas which would not be reasonable just for this.

Design
Imo there is nothing at all wrong with porros, except when weather proofing is required. In fact the Nikon EII and SE models perform as well, or arguably better than, much more expensive roof prisms, and they even have significant advantages with respect to cost, field of view, brightness, freedom from CA, and 3D effect. In general porros can be easier to hold steadily (possibly making 12x useable hand held) but weatherproofing may certainly render focus functions problematic. Usually it makes this sticky and very heavy with massive free play, but luckily? my Sherman is quite ok in those respects - it really stands out by being reasonably light and smooth, with no play in spite of supposed protection with nitrogen against fogging and water ingress.

QC
A slip of paper was included which indicated that the example had been individually checked. If so full marks, and mine had no functional flaws except that a tiny grub screw securing the setting of the main hinge screw was 2mm too long. This prevented the plastic cap with '12x50' decorative disc stuck to it from being level. Very fiddly but happily it did not get lost in the process of putting it right. It was easily corrected by grinding a bit off the grub screw, before refitting the plastic cap with its central screw and re-attaching the decoration disc with double sided sticky tape. More importantly the focus action and alignment seemed absolutely fine, and for me the dioptre setting was normal at 0 degrees.

Optics
The main thing was that the Sherman was sharp in the centre and e.g. good enough to show more detail than e.g. Nikon EII 10x35.
Obvious distortion at 50% of the view, e.g. more than Nikon 12x50, which was relatively pallid and less sharp at the centre.
Close focus >30ft, not good!
Colour, contrast, brightness: unremarkable at this price i.e. mediocre in comparisons with much more expensive binoculars but satisfactory on their own.
  • BAK4 Porro Prisms
  • 5-Element/3-Group Eyepiece Lens
  • Fully Multi-Coated Optics
  • 67° Apparent Angle of View
  • Magnification: 12x
  • Objective Lens Diameter: 50 mm
  • Angle of View: 5.6° (Actual)
  • Field of View: 98 m @ 1000 m
  • Minimum Focus Distance: 7 m (>30ft!)
  • Exit Pupil Diameter: 4.2 mm
  • 3 position click up eye pieces
  • Eye Relief: 18 mm (probably accurate and i.e. fine with glasses)
  • Dimensions: 7.8 x 6.9 x 2.5" / 19.8 x 17.5 x 6.4 cm
  • Weight: 980g (but in the hand feels similar to 10x50 roof)
Nice review Chris, nothing wrong with Porro's at all. Still use my Swift Audubon HR/5 10x50 from 1999 with great pleasure along with my Zeiss 15x60 BGAT. Porro's are great for their 3D view. I never had issues with rain in the 21 years I used the Swift but also I didn't use it in the rain that much.

Good luck with the bino's!

T.
 
Thanks guys. Yes I do like porros too.

Jessie-66,
That Oberwerk 10x50 Deluxe looks nice and I found some comments about it On Cloudy Nights

Re Sherman Pro 12x50 "what % of the field of view radius seems sharp to you."
= about 50%, imo not really enough, and PS with use some free play in focus has emerged too.

Re "Unfortunately, United Optics Kunming only builds entry-level porros with a central focus. Better (and heavier) bins are with IF. Too bad."
= yes a pity, however have you seen H.Merliz on Loava 8x45 ? - which is a Central Focus Kunming model and is probably the same as Ostara Elinor 8x45. There are also CF Ostara Elinor(Click up eyepiece), and Hilkinson(fold down eyepiece?) 10x and 12x versions, most of which are still fairly easy to find and inexpensive, at least in UK.
 
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What 12x50s could you not get on with? Unfortunately I don't think there is a 12x50 Nikon EII but other examples of both types at various sizes and prices have had more or less free play in the focus action. Waterproof porros tend to have more or less sticky focus as well, so roofs win there. Of course better QC and obtaining a larger part of the view in focus involves greater expense, but perhaps it would help to look within a range like Vortex Razor> Viper> Diamondback. I have not seen any of them myself but did you see this post Vortex 12x50 ?
Thanks for the answer, chris6, very interesting. As I mentioned, I've been tempted by the Sherman Pro ever since I read Allbinos positive reviews on the smaller x32 siblings (having 2 Vixen Foresta porros which look very much alike) and also after reading the positive review by binocularsky, here. It is always difficult to guess if the optics are of a similar level, but the looks of the binoculars are just sooo similar to the Vixen Foresta which I really like.

I've had a series of 12x, both x50 and x42. I think my favourite was the Monarch 5, especially in terms of handling and grip, which is kind of funny, because I usually like the gripping position of Porro prism binoculars. But there is something in the Monarch 5 and 7 that I really like handling wise. I've also had some Bushnell and the like. My problem is that I have this very nice 10x42 (Nikon SE) so the main use for 12x50 is astronomy and low-light, but given how light, nimble and pleasurable to use the SE are, I never seem to find the right moment to use the 12x, also I've noticed that 12x is too much for me to observe the night sky, it is OK during the day though. Hence my interest in the 10x50 Sherman Pro, although I was also considering the two models Jessie-66 mentioned (it seems there are not that many 10x50 possibilities, so we all come down to the same ones over and over again).

Nice review Chris, nothing wrong with Porro's at all. Still use my Swift Audubon HR/5 10x50 from 1999 with great pleasure.
Out of curiosity. Do you remember the model number on those 10x50 Audubon? Are they by any chance the 826? Thanks! :)
 
Re "Unfortunately, United Optics Kunming only builds entry-level porros with a central focus. Better (and heavier) bins are with IF. Too bad."
= yes a pity, however have you seen H.Merliz on Loava 8x45 ? - which is a Central Focus Kunming model and is probably the same as Ostara Elinor 8x45. There are also CF Ostara Elinor(Click up eyepiece), and Hilkinson(fold down eyepiece?) 10x and 12x versions, most of which are still fairly easy to find and inexpensive, at least in UK.
Thanks Chris. I think this bins are all entry level from United Optics. All look very similar, Ostara, Levenhuk, Oberwerk, TS-Optics.
These binoculars should be available with CF, then I would weak:
This bins are the better series of United Optics (IF):
Also available from TS-Optics, Oberwerk, APM, Lunt, ...

Nice to see some dinosaurs (porro fans) meeting here in the thread and sharing their recherches and findings. APM once wanted to have an 8x30 and a 6x30 built, the 6x30 is available:
I would rather have a cheaper porro 8x30 (APM) and a lightweight roof edge prism 8x30 (Kite Lynx) instead of the now quite expensive Nikon EII.

Porrosaurs, we read us. ;-)
 
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Thanks for the answer, chris6, very interesting. As I mentioned, I've been tempted by the Sherman Pro ever since I read Allbinos positive reviews on the smaller x32 siblings (having 2 Vixen Foresta porros which look very much alike) and also after reading the positive review by binocularsky, here. It is always difficult to guess if the optics are of a similar level, but the looks of the binoculars are just sooo similar to the Vixen Foresta which I really like.

I've had a series of 12x, both x50 and x42. I think my favourite was the Monarch 5, especially in terms of handling and grip, which is kind of funny, because I usually like the gripping position of Porro prism binoculars. But there is something in the Monarch 5 and 7 that I really like handling wise. I've also had some Bushnell and the like. My problem is that I have this very nice 10x42 (Nikon SE) so the main use for 12x50 is astronomy and low-light, but given how light, nimble and pleasurable to use the SE are, I never seem to find the right moment to use the 12x, also I've noticed that 12x is too much for me to observe the night sky, it is OK during the day though. Hence my interest in the 10x50 Sherman Pro, although I was also considering the two models Jessie-66 mentioned (it seems there are not that many 10x50 possibilities, so we all come down to the same ones over and over again).


Out of curiosity. Do you remember the model number on those 10x50 Audubon? Are they by any chance the 826? Thanks! :)
Yes it's the 826 (y)
 
The Swift 826 is a very compact Porro compared to the Zeiss 15x60 BGAT ;)
 

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I would rather have a cheaper porro 8x30 (APM) and a lightweight roof edge prism 8x30 (Kite Lynx) instead of the now quite expensive Nikon EII.

Porrosaurs, we read us. ;-)
Hahahaha, I like that. No doubt Thotmosis's Zeiss 15x60 BGAT is some sort of Porrosaurus rex. Regarding your interesting last remark. I do own an EII, but I do find your idea to be interesting and fun. However, as far as I know, a 8x30 Kite Lynx is more expensive than an EII, well, at more expensive than what I paid for the EII a couple of years ago (and by quite a margin). Anyway, the M7 8x30 or the Opticron Traveller can be found for 200 €-ish, and I've just bought a Pentax Marine 8x30 IF that looks like a pedestrian version of the FMT. I'll post my impressions when I get it.
The Swift 826 is a very compact Porro compared to the Zeiss 15x60 BGAT ;)
Thanks for that. I've been considering that as an alternative of inexpensive 10x50, given that they show up regularly. I just don't know how will they compare to some inexpensive current options like a Nikon AEx 10x50 or some of the above (or a Vixen Ascott).
 
Hahahaha, I like that. No doubt Thotmosis's Zeiss 15x60 BGAT is some sort of Porrosaurus rex. Regarding your interesting last remark. I do own an EII, but I do find your idea to be interesting and fun. However, as far as I know, a 8x30 Kite Lynx is more expensive than an EII, well, at more expensive than what I paid for the EII a couple of years ago (and by quite a margin). Anyway, the M7 8x30 or the Opticron Traveller can be found for 200 €-ish, and I've just bought a Pentax Marine 8x30 IF that looks like a pedestrian version of the FMT. I'll post my impressions when I get it.

Thanks for that. I've been considering that as an alternative of inexpensive 10x50, given that they show up regularly. I just don't know how will they compare to some inexpensive current options like a Nikon AEx 10x50 or some of the above (or a Vixen Ascott).
Haha, Porrosaurus rex....:LOL:

Well last year I ordered a Nikon A211 12x50 to give as a present to my brother but he didn't like because IPD was too wide for his face and diopter setting didn't work so good but maybe it was a lemon and it will fit your face.
 
However, as far as I know, a 8x30 Kite Lynx is more expensive than an EII, well, at more expensive than what I paid for the EII a couple of years ago (and by quite a margin). Anyway, the M7 8x30 or the Opticron Traveller can be found for 200 €-ish, and I've just bought a Pentax Marine 8x30 IF that looks like a pedestrian version of the FMT. I'll post my impressions when I get it.
Please write your impressions about Pentax Marine IF 8x30. Must immediately look for it, I have not yet come across.
Only a good 8x30 porro seems to me too somewhat/less: For long hikes or as the only vacation binoculars (air travel with limited luggage), a 8x30 roof is more suitable. The porro is more for home nature environment for the beauty of the image, the sight, 3D. So 2 binoculars 8x30. The Opticron Traveller is of course also a possibility.
Haha, Porrosaurus rex....:LOL:
Porrosaurus Rex is surely a carnivore, roof prism bins are at most dietary fibers to support the digestion of eaten users of roof edge bins. I search the big discard piles for elongated items labeled with Swaro NL and Zeiss SF. My name is Wilma, my husband is Fred Flintstone.
I don't even know if foreign language jokes go over well. If something goes wrong in life, declare it as an experiment. Experiment, experiment, test, test! ;-)
 
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Please write your impressions about Pentax Marine IF 8x30. Must immediately look for it, I have not yet come across.
Only a good 8x30 porro seems to me too somewhat/less: For long hikes or as the only vacation binoculars (air travel with limited luggage), a 8x30 roof is more suitable. The porro is more for home nature environment for the beauty of the image, the sight, 3D. So 2 binoculars 8x30. The Opticron Traveller is of course also a possibility.

Porrosaurus Rex is surely a carnivore, roof prism bins are at most dietary fibers to support the digestion of eaten users of roof edge bins. I search the big discard piles for elongated items labeled with Swaro NL and Zeiss SF. My name is Wilma, my husband is Fred Flintstone.
I don't even know if foreign language jokes go over well. If something goes wrong in life, declare it as an experiment. Experiment, experiment, test, test! ;-)
Swarovski stil makes good Porro binoculars by the way: 8x30, 7x42 and 10x40. Waterproof also...and the GA versions with rubber coating would be the perfect bino's for Fred Flinstone due to their ruggedness.
 
Please write your impressions about Pentax Marine IF 8x30. Must immediately look for it, I have not yet come across.
Although they were nicely built (holding them they seemed to be able to outlast my grandchildren!) and gave a feeling of real ruggedness, the eye position was not the best.
On axis they were really remarkable, I compared them to my Nikon EII 8x30 and found the Pentax to be sharper (completely unscientific handheld observation).
The view was dimmer than the EII and had a much warmer tone.
So, a really nice speciality glass for someone needing the extra protection (surveillance, sea, etc.) and the fuss-free IF operation.
 

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On axis they were really remarkable, I compared them to my Nikon EII 8x30 and found the Pentax to be sharper (completely unscientific handheld observation).
The view was dimmer than the EII and had a much warmer tone.
So, a really nice speciality glass for someone needing the extra protection (surveillance, sea, etc.) and the fuss-free IF operation.
Thank you very much. It's strange with the older, single-coated Porros with less transmission: in bad weather you have less colour saturation, seemingly less contrast. You see sharply, but you also miss: for example, small, brown observation objects "shine" little against a green background, you miss brown birds, for example. From 85% transmission, in my experience, the problem is solved in practical use by non-bean-counters. ;-)
With increasing transmission, the veil-like glare over the entire field of view usually also decreases with a low opposing sun somewhat outside the field of view.
If you can handle IF for certain observations in saltwater air, maybe a Zeiss/Hensoldt Fero D16 (8x30, multi-coated) would be something for you? Unfortunately only 7 degrees FoV. IF is probably unproblematic at longer distances only. Jessie
 
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Jessie-66, interesting. I've tried it with IF, but I guess it's just not my cup of tea. I enjoyed lovely astro-nights with the 7x50 FMT-SX, but in the end I sold it because I found that having a binocular for a single task was kind of limited, and frankly going for a walk with the Fujinon is best left to Rambo :D :D The 7x50 Foresta can't compete with the Fujinon for astronomy, but as a package is more complete, simply because is lighter, less bulky and has central focus, which makes it usable for other applications. I've had several Steiner (once I bough one with a hybrid system, IF+CF, but I was underwhelmed by it) and other IF, but I think they're just not for me.
 
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