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Made in Germany? Yes / No ? (1 Viewer)

Ted Y.

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Not precise at all, the article. Fact or hearsay?

 
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Appears to be a marketing article written by a sales representative.

If a Steiner binocular has the three words:
Made in Germany
on it, then it is at least partially made in that country.
Mine don't.
 
The few Steiners I've seen recently are simply marked "Germany," which has always seemed ambiguous to me.
 
The few Steiners I've seen recently are simply marked "Germany," which has always seemed ambiguous to me.
The following is a snippet from a PM I sent to another member in May of 2020. Portions of it may answer some Steiner questions for a few.

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A few days ago, I saw you had added some neat stuff to the Steiner thread and I thought you might be interested in the following. That thread contains some very wrong and/or misleading information:

After the Army’s M19 (Farrand Optics started development in1955) went bust, they went, in the early 90s, with the Steiner Commander without the compass (middle unit in the attachment). This was when Steiner was being imported by Pioneer Marketing in New Jersey and the binocular was called the Army’s M22. This was also about the time of their “Auto Focus” crap (see pages 12-16 in my first bino book) was becoming legendary and believed by far too many. By the end of the 90s, the Army was back with the with Fujinon. Around that time, both the army AND navy were using the Fujinon AR (Nautilus) or the same animal as the Swift Seahawk (Katsuma JB 2 and Kamakura JB133). Depending on who, in procurement, your rank allowed you to finagle, you might get yourself a Fujinon FMTR-SX or a Swift Storm King. But that was the exception—not the rule. Only two others were even contenders in both optical performance and rigidity.

When Pioneer Marketing dropped Steiner in the early part of this century, it was picked up by Burris Optics of Greely, Colorado. In 2002 or 2008—depending on who you believe—Steiner was purchased by Beretta Holding and importation was shifted to Burris Optics. The product is mostly Chinese made. Of course, even when advertising was making Steiner a legend, much of their inventory was already coming from Asia.

Yes, I know there is some mystique about Steiner and military and law enforcement organizations. Most deal considerably more on clever advertising and those who tend to believe everything they see in print. But as it has been noted, more reputable companies have no need to follow that pattern and happily allow those with more misinformation under their belts to sell Steiner by word of mouth and binocular forums. I didn’t fail to carry Steiner because of the PRODUCT but rather the crap they tried to feed me in person and in advertising. When Sven Harms, Pioneer’s sales manager, promised to be happy with me selling the product my way, I welcomed them onboard. I especially liked the original, two piece, 7x50 Navigator II (the left most bino in the photo) and the original, roof Peregrine ...
 

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“Auto Focus” crap (see pages 12-16 in my first bino book) was becoming legendary and believed by far too many
I understand well I am doing the auto focus, not the binocular.
The same with other kind of self, permanent, or similar features.

I am opening a parenthesis:
This marketing words are accompanied by words as: “from x yards to infinity”. And this is credible. As I know, no one is disputing this. Therefore, it works.
Again, as I know, no one is mentioning it does not work for some people. The information is missing. Easy to make a wrong decision.
 
I understand well I am doing the auto focus, not the binocular.
The same with other kind of self, permanent, or similar features.

I am opening a parenthesis:
This marketing words are accompanied by words as: “from x yards to infinity”. And this is credible. As I know, no one is disputing this. Therefore, it works.
Again, as I know, no one is mentioning it does not work for some people. The information is missing. Easy to make a wrong decision.
Hi, Ted,

I will DISPUTE it because it is NOT Credible but a bald-faced lie used to suck money out of the unwary. I have been a writer for more than 30 years. I started writing because people kept coming to Captain’s wanting me to sell them an AUTO-FOCUS binocular. And to fight that BS, I started writing!

The attached are 4 pages out of my first bino book. The bino is doing no more—CAN do no more—than any other bino. The individual’s dioptric accommodation (through the eye’s ciliary muscles) is what is doing the job that willfully deceptive merchandisers are ready to take advantage of.

Good advertising need not be accurate or even meaningful. I need only be believed. And in my 52 years in most areas of optics—military and civilian—I’ve learned that those who frequent binocular forums are ripe for the pickin’.
 

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people kept coming to Captain’s wanting me to sell them an AUTO-FOCUS binocular

Hi WJC,

Maybe my words in the post #5 are not so clear. I will try with other words.

I do not contest nor challenge your discourse about “auto-focus”. It is very clear you dispute this "feature".
I was very surprised when I read about this “feature” on the web page of binoculars. And yes, some people were asking in the Questions section about batteries, as if something was moving inside and/or a signal was processed.

I am stating that some important information for the customer is missing from articles, forums, reviews, as I know. Also, I am implying that porro binoculars are less discussed. None of this is constitues a critic. Nor a justification for the "feature".

A parenthesis:
I know you are an excellent writer. I know it because I read your book about binoculars.
And all be sure, I am not kissing hands here.
 
Hi WJC,

Maybe my words in the post #5 are not so clear. I will try with other words.

I do not contest nor challenge your discourse about “auto-focus”. It is very clear you dispute this "feature".
I was very surprised when I read about this “feature” on the web page of binoculars. And yes, some people were asking in the Questions section about batteries, as if something was moving inside and/or a signal was processed.

I am stating that some important information for the customer is missing from articles, forums, reviews, as I know. Also, I am implying that porro binoculars are less discussed. None of this is constitues a critic. Nor a justification for the "feature".

A parenthesis:
I know you are an excellent writer. I know it because I read your book about binoculars.
And all be sure, I am not kissing hands here.
Why not suck up ... a little?! Buy both books ... I need the money!:) And to be certain you know, I was not slinging ANY negativity toward you. Banish the thought!

50% of my venom was directed toward the fraudulent advertising and the OTHER 50% was directed at the many binocular forum users that, after so much FACTUAL information has been presented, still try to set themselves up as knowledgeable bino users while, at the same time, they continue to promote a concept that a well-adjusted 5th grader would reject! If the misalignment is slight, or the observer’s spatial accommodation is adequate, using a roofline, power pole, fence, or any other common object (if the distance is great enough) is ample to make the instrument serviceable for that user. That, however, IS NOT 3-Axis collimation but Conditional Alignment, and all the would-be opto-geniuses in the world can’t make it so! They can, however, set themselves up as alignment experts to the many who are as gullible as they are!

Yes, as long as I have been fighting this battle—45 years—it does get old and frustrating. Sorry for not being man enough to allow this Blarney to roll of me as water from a duck’s back.

But as one notable Brit has been known to say ... “Bah, Humbug!”
 
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