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Scavengers, Robbers and Hunters of the UK (2 Viewers)

Himalaya

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I have always thought about opening this thread yet it sounds a bit wacky. There are a number of medium to large sized birds in the UK which can hunt, scavenge and even rob other birds of their food. They are usually of open or partially wooded areas and range from 50cm in length to 75cm.

In the raptor family you have birds like Buzzards, Red Kites which not only hunt but will scavenge and within the case of the Kite it will also rob other birds of food.

Then you have Gulls. The larger Gulls such as the beast-like Greater-Black Backed Gull and the slightly smaller Hering and Lesser Black-Backed Gull also perform all 3 functions - hunting, scavenge from tips and carcasses and robbing other birds of their food. In fact the Greater Black back is described as havig more in common with raptors than Gulls.

If one can include Gulls then its only fair to include larger Corvids such as Raven, Carrion Crows. They also can hunt other prey, scavenge and rob other birds.

If one includes Gulls then one bird which is good at harrassing Gulls out there - the Skua. Skuas are also very agressive and can hunt and rob other birds - I assume they would start feeding from a large carcass if got the chance?

I would love to see some of the larger members of these birds assemble at carrion carcasses especially those of a similar size ie red kite, buzzard, raven , greater-black backed gulls, herring and lesser black backed gulls, arctic skuas - how would these species interact with each other and especially at a carcass. I wonder if anyione has ever been lucky enough to see most of these species present in one area together.

I have not included eagles in this as they are much larger. Goshawks are more forest species and have been known to prey on those other birds barring red kite im guessing. Peregrines and hen harriers are probably more hunter.
Would love to hear your experiences and anything you can pull out.
 
amazing i would love to see this also! You are forgetting about the johnny rooks which fit all those characteristics!

I think great skuas are much more like a raptor then a gull though
 
in regards to ravens and GBB gulls the outcome is the raven stays away from the gulls bill its safe

if a raven got to close the gull would probably attack it

larus gulls always rule over corvids
 
how would a gulls bill differ from a corvids? is it sharper?? have you not seen the photos of the 2 ravens bringing down and killing a herring gull in the raven thread i started on birds and birding section? its amazing - corvids are always thought to be able to hunt only small birds and mammals - if 2 ravens could kill a herring gull - surely they could even do that to a buzzard or red kite. if not 2 ravens but then 4/5 would be able to surely
what about 1 herring gull and and 1 raven?

what about a greater black backed or herring gull and a red kite or buzzard?

what about skuas interaction with buzzards, kites ravens?




in regards to ravens and GBB gulls the outcome is the raven stays away from the gulls bill its safe

if a raven got to close the gull would probably attack it

larus gulls always rule over corvids
 
do you mean the the rook which nests in rookeries? rooks are the sae size as carrion crow but then again for some reason i see them less able to hunt as compared to carrion crows?
talking about carrion crows - are hooded crows more aggressive than carrion crows? do let me know!

amazing i would love to see this also! You are forgetting about the johnny rooks which fit all those characteristics!

I think great skuas are much more like a raptor then a gull though
 
Carrion Crow-Kestrel

In the Pentland Hills I watched a Carrion Crow dive bomb a kestrel that had just caught a rodent. The kestrel dropped the rodent and the crow grabbed it before it it had dropped more than a few inches.The crow departed to a nearby tree, and the kestrel to a neighbouring one. The latter perched watching the crow, and its intended lunch, for a while then flew away. While not over prey I also in the Pentlands watched a kestrel buzz bomb 2 buzzards, even to the extent of bouncing off the back of one of them on a couple of occasions. The buzzards didn't react at all and just lazily drifted up in the thermals. Once they had departed the immediate section of sky, the kestrel hovered immediatly and pounced at some ground prey, but came away empty beaked.
 
Lets not forget the legendary Turnstone, hunting its live prey under pebbles and picking away at the inside of human tideline torsos. Not too hard to imagine one chasing a Rock Pipit off spilled grain or prawn sandwiches.....

Most birds will employ all these three feeding strategies, its only a question of scale.

John
 
I would love to see how Gulls react to Red Kites and Buzzards. Corvids would mob them but would the larger Gulls do the same? Gulls have stolen kills of birds of prey and so have Corvids. Skuas also steak from Gulls - would a Skua steal from any of the others? Skuas would probably even nest in the same area as Peregrines - would they steal from them?
Surely somewhere in England you may get at least Raves, Skuas, Buzzards, the larger Gulls nesting together at least and Kites drifting in?
As there is a hierachy amongst vultures of who eats first at a carcass - is there such a thing amonst G B B Gulls, LBB gulls, Herring Gulls, Ravens, Buzzard, Red Kites and Skuas?
 
do you mean the the rook which nests in rookeries? rooks are the sae size as carrion crow but then again for some reason i see them less able to hunt as compared to carrion crows?
talking about carrion crows - are hooded crows more aggressive than carrion crows? do let me know!

Johnny Rooks are Striated Caracaras as referred to by Martin above. A species of hawk found only in the Falklands and Tierra del Fuego. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striated_Caracara

Graham
 
how would a great skua interact with a buzzard or raven. i assume if a grea skua can kill a GBB Gull, then the other 2 could be easy, after all even Ravens can kill Buzzards - not sure if what I read refered to a single Raven though.

I know that Bonxie's (Great Skua) rule the roost when it comes to Gulls, particularly the GBB's
 
great skua rules over everything big and small fear it!

It would kill a raven in a second. The only birds skuas respect are large powerful eagles in the UK. Everything else stays out of its path!

GULLS do have more powerful beaks then corvids, a gulls beak slices like a knife and can cause much more damage in a short period of time

skua has a bill like a raptor though very powerful and hooked meant for killing and tearing flesh

GBB gulls are extremly agressive nasty powerful and predatory birds though dont get me wrong its just skuas are exceptionally powerful!


Someone give me REF to ravens killing herring gulls? Here the herring gulls dominate ravens at a carcass!

COrvids have a HUGE advantage over all these mentioned birds, that is corvids have much much bigger brains more brains means they can often use their heads band together and drive off the most powerful birds in the world (golden eagle) by using group tactics

Corvids arent victumized often because they are so smart they never put themselves in that postion, they really do make fools out of all the other birds when it comes to smarts
 
there are a number of photos which show the ravens attacking the herring gull - the herring gull looks weaker in flight - its probable that both birds ganged upon it and brought it down. i have read else where that a herring gull would dominate a raven at a carcass in an even situation. although ravens have been known to predate buzzards even - although this could not be one single raven alone which could do that but a pair at least.

http://www.birdphoto.fi/lajikuvat/corrax/index.php
 
yor wrong about corvids being so smart - i have seen corvids approach fields with lapwings nest in them and i really feel sorry for them. its more carrion crows than any other corvids which get a roasting from those lapwings. the ignored the magpie on the wall. they probably even ignore the kestrel and sparrowhawk which hunts in the field.
goshawks rely heavily on corvids as prey dont they?

a ravens bill is big - but any idea what damage it can cause? would definitely not be getting to close to any gulls now.

what is the largest mammal or bird prey that a LONE GBB Gull, Herring Gull, Raven, Arctic Skua, Great Skua, Red Kite could hunt of course in reasonable condition too?

It would be interesting to see a carcass with Buzzards, Red Kites, Ravens, Herring Gulls, G BB Gulls, Great Skuas, Arctic Skuas - orwith some of them? Gigrin farm attracts kites, buzzards, ravens - i wonder who has the advtange here?



great skua rules over everything big and small fear it!

It would kill a raven in a second. The only birds skuas respect are large powerful eagles in the UK. Everything else stays out of its path!

GULLS do have more powerful beaks then corvids, a gulls beak slices like a knife and can cause much more damage in a short period of time

skua has a bill like a raptor though very powerful and hooked meant for killing and tearing flesh

GBB gulls are extremly agressive nasty powerful and predatory birds though dont get me wrong its just skuas are exceptionally powerful!


Someone give me REF to ravens killing herring gulls? Here the herring gulls dominate ravens at a carcass!

COrvids have a HUGE advantage over all these mentioned birds, that is corvids have much much bigger brains more brains means they can often use their heads band together and drive off the most powerful birds in the world (golden eagle) by using group tactics

Corvids arent victumized often because they are so smart they never put themselves in that postion, they really do make fools out of all the other birds when it comes to smarts
 
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