shrike and redstart? (Switzerland) (1 Viewer)

[misikuru]

Can someone help me ID these birds? Thank you!

1, 2. female Red-backed shrike?
3-5. young Common redstart? (my firsrt thought was a Northern wheatear but it has an orange tail.)

Photos taken today at a lakeside in the canton of Zurich.

 

[Richard Prior]

Red backed Shrike ( perhaps a first winter bird rather than an adult) and 1st w male Common Redstart

 

[rosbifs]

Agree Rb shrike but isn’t the redstart a mounting adult male

Young males resemble females

 

[CARERY]

Agree Rb shrike but isn’t the redstart a mounting adult male

Young males resemble females

No, this is what an adult male would look like by now:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568217096101789697

 

[misikuru]

Agree Rb shrike but isn’t the redstart a mounting adult male

Young males resemble females

No, this is what an adult male would look like by now:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568217096101789697

Red backed Shrike ( perhaps a first winter bird rather than an adult) and 1st w male Common Redstart

Thank you all for your help!

 

[rosbifs]

No, this is what an adult male would look like by now:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568217096101789697

Awesome - I will update my personal, mental, database... and check a book or two! Thank you.

 

[Richard Prior]

Awesome - I will update my personal, mental, database... and check a book or two! Thank you.

You were thinking Black Redstart I bet!

 

[Butty]

https://blascozumeta.com/wp-content/uploads/aragon-birds/passeriformes/332.redstarts-pphoenicurus.pdf

https://ringersdigiguide.ottenby.se/species/phoenicurus-phoenicurus/

 

[rosbifs]

Perfect - thank you