Treron pompadora ada Meise, 1930 (1 Viewer)

[Björn Bergenholtz]

Either way, of course, in Meise's case the lack of a (female) genitive ending (-ae) in ada, doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't have intended it for an actual (female) person. Remember that Meise also (at least according to the Richmond Cards) coined names like; "Ptilinopus melanocephalus margaretha" MEISE 1930, and "Myzomela chloroptera eva" MEISE 1931, as well as "Gerygone igata amalia" MEISE 1931 [Richmond Cards; here, resp. here and here, the latter, according to the same card, after "Amelie Dietrich"], all female eponyms, all without the -ae part.

He also coined the similar name "Parisoma lugens clara" MEISE 1934 (ditto Card here, though, note; in this the latter case I don't know if it's an Eponym, at all? I doubt it. OD here. In the latter case it might be just clara (clear) versus lugens (dark/sad/mourning).

In any case, Meise clearly used the (masculine) ending -i, on several (many, many) new taxa, like; beicki, ernstmayri, erwini, hachlowi, harterti, kleinschmidti, naumanni, plesseni, reicherti, rileyi, salvadorii, stegmanni and tornowi (except, of course in/on hutzi, dealt with above, which was named after his Friend Baronin [baroness/Lady] von Scheel-Plessen – whose nick-name was 'Hutz').

However, I'm still curious if anyone have an opinion about the plausible (?) Latin/Greek explanation (suggested in post #20) ...

/B

 

[kweetal]

If I read here I would exclude von Plessens wife or daughters (even if I don't know the name of the second daughter). His oldest daughter seems to be Victoria Baronin von Plessen. His wife Marie-Izabel Freiin von Jenisch (1906-1971).

But I still see no link to Coen Geertsema and/or his sister.

In 1930, Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was just a German prince with a cash flow problem (solved by the marriage to the Dutch princess who would become queen), and as far as I can see, he was in 1930 not yet linked to Dutch royalty (the marriage happened later, half-way in the thirties). The 'military aide to Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands' might still be true, probably is; but it was not at the time of the creation of the 'ada' name (1930). (of course, it's still possible that Bernhard knew Geertsema, and Meise knew them, and/or Ada Geertsema before (oops not 1830 ) 1930 (of course)

 

[Fred Ruhe]

In 1930, Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was just a German prince with a cash flow problem (solved by the marriage to the Dutch princess who would become queen), and as far as I can see, he was in 1830 not yet linked to Dutch royalty (the marriage happened later, half-way in the thirties). The 'military aide to Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands' might still be true, probably is; but it was not at the time of the creation of the 'ada' name (1830). (of course, it's still possible that Bernhard knew Geertsema, and Meise knew them, and/or Ada Geertsema before 1830)

Im 18/30 he was not just a German prince/ He was not born yet in 1830:

(translated from dutch Wikipedia)

Bernhard Leopold Frederik Everhard Julius Coert Karel Godfried Pieter, Prins der Nederlanden, Prins van Lippe-Biesterfeld, born as s Bernhard Friedrich Eberhard Leopold Julius Kurt Carl Gottfried Peter Graf von Biesterfeld (Jena, June 29, 1911 – Utrecht, December 1, 2004)

Fred

 

[kweetal]

Im 18/30 he was not just a German prince/ He was not born yet in 1830:

(translated from dutch Wikipedia)

Bernhard Leopold Frederik Everhard Julius Coert Karel Godfried Pieter, Prins der Nederlanden, Prins van Lippe-Biesterfeld, born as s Bernhard Friedrich Eberhard Leopold Julius Kurt Carl Gottfried Peter Graf von Biesterfeld (Jena, June 29, 1911 – Utrecht, December 1, 2004)

Fred

oops - 1930, you guessed it (fixed the post)

 

[rollie_nl]

In 1930, Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was just a German prince with a cash flow problem (solved by the marriage to the Dutch princess who would become queen), and as far as I can see, he was in 1930 not yet linked to Dutch royalty (the marriage happened later, half-way in the thirties). The 'military aide to Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands' might still be true, probably is; but it was not at the time of the creation of the 'ada' name (1930). (of course, it's still possible that Bernhard knew Geertsema, and Meise knew them, and/or Ada Geertsema before (oops not 1830 ) 1930 of course)

The problem here is, I think, that there are two Carel Coenraad Geertsema. One, known in birding cycles because of the birding hotspot Carel Coenraadpolder, never seems to have visited Nederlands-Indie (Indonesia). He lived 1843-1928. He had however a brother who was an administrator in Nederlands-Indie (and they had also three sisters). The other Carel Coenraad Geertsema is mentioned by Paul in post 3 and was indeed adjutant of Prince Bernard. He was thus younger and may have been the son of the elder (cannot find evidence for that but it seems logical)? Somehow it feels illogical that a bird was named after the younger Geertsema or the sister of the younger Geertsema (whom Paul mentions in post 3) but I guess it is not impossible.

Assuming the ages of Meise and so on, and the year of dedication, it seems a mix-up took place between the older and younger Geertsema at some point.

 

[kweetal]

We were always talking about the younger one, of course; there is no doubt about that.

 

[rollie_nl]

We were always talking about the younger one, of course; there is no doubt about that.

So:

• we have a bird that is (probably) dedicated to Ada in 1930 (sister of the adjudant to prince Bernhard)
• we have Prince Bernard who met princess Juliana for the first time in the 1930s (after the dedication of the bird to Ada by Meise)

This means we do not have a Dutch adjudant to prince Bernhard in 1930 as Bernhard was not associated with Dutch Royal family then (they married in 1937).

The bird may be named for family of the adjudant but I wonder why this would be the case. It does not add up for me.

I guess I would like to see proof that the adjudant, before becoming adjudant, was involved with birds/naturalia of Indonesia in his early years (before 1930) and/or (preferably) if Meise knew him. My main point is that any link in this story/dedication to prince Bernhard seems superfluous.

 

[PScofield]

Just to clarify: I have absolutely no idea what the connection is between Geertsema and Meise. I simply identified some called Ada who fit the description in "Eponym" and subsequently The Key. You might think there would have to be some reason Eponym came up with Ada's identity (and there maybe) but we have learnt that very frequently these "imaginative guesses" are wrong.

 

[Björn Bergenholtz]

Thus, the (Pigeon/Dove) ada remains a mystery (at least in my notes).

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