Pedrambirder
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Which Oriole? Iran, Hormozgan, Feb. 2023 (1 Viewer)
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Interesting, as much for the date. I agree with Fern, appears to be Indian. In Uzbekistan theses appear to be a later migrant than Eurasian, which seem to precede them and breed further north. However conversely, it appears that Indian may winter further north, and perhaps this is one of these.
I note that the UAE (just across the Straits of Hormuz if I have my geography correct) doesn't yet have any records, however there is a suspicion that it may have occurred in winter.
Not clearly. I think there is shadow involved because of the lay of the feathers in that area: note how the black is less distinct in pics 1 and 3 where the head is tilted over and the shadow effect is thus reduced.
Pedrambirder
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Thank you,
For your information, the place I met this species was in Jahad Park, near Bandar Abbas.
About two weeks before my record, in the same place and in two following days, two different observations of odd orioles were also reported by our friends, which one of them was confirmed by IBRC as a Black-naped Oriole (نخستین رکورد کشوری پری شاهرخ چینی در بندر عباس در بهمن 1401 :: کمیته ثبت پرندگان ایران Iran Bird Records Committee).
Actually, we were looking for the same Oriole about half a day n the same area, but I could only find this one which looked different from Orioles I met before.
So if it's an Indian Golden Oriole as you suggested, there have been two interesting species.
Pedrambirder
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Thank you,
I'm not familiar to Indian birds, but if the black extending behind the eye is a main key, it is there.
I tried to reduce exposure and increase shadow in Adobe Lr. to make it more clear.
What's your idea?
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Iirc, we came to no conclusion about how to definitively distinguish Indian, black-naped and Eurasian Orioles in every case. Here, the black suggests Indian to me but I don't think we can be certain it's not black-naped. My feeling after reviewing ebird photos (I'm not super experienced with any of these species) is that it isn't. I think the combination of bill shape, eye colour and pattern of black suggest Indian over black-naped but happy to be corrected. (Perhaps the apparent yellow mantle/wings contradicts this, but I can't see it well enough to know.)
So I see. One could equally reduce brightness/contrast/shadow to make it less clear.
Pedrambirder
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Thank you,
Cropped ones from three original pics I sent.(no edit)
Also, I think the original pics got good quality to be checked on monitor for more details, if anyone is interested...
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I have to admit it is a few years since I was watching Black-naped, but I would have expected broader black lores and a minimum of a suggestion of black feathering above the eye.
My experience of Indian & Eurasian is much more recent, in the last year in fact. To me the face pattern is what I would expect of Indian.
Fern makes an interesting point about mantle colour. IMHO I can't see enough to be sure, but I don't see much to be worried about. However, my experience in the winter is also minimal in trying to compare/separate the species, although I have seen both
My experience of Indian & Eurasian is much more recent, in the last year in fact. To me the face pattern is what I would expect of Indian.
Fern makes an interesting point about mantle colour. IMHO I can't see enough to be sure, but I don't see much to be worried about. However, my experience in the winter is also minimal in trying to compare/separate the species, although I have seen both
