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Which Plover please? (1 Viewer)
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I think it's just individual variation in a bird that doesn't have fully adult plumage. Did you think it was something else?
[Edit: at least some of the birds in the photos above have sandy or perhaps brown bands rather than grey—at least to my eye]
When I said "at least some of the birds in the photos above have sandy or perhaps brown" I was responding to the comment "All birds in photos have grey breast band". It's clear that none of the Macauley images I linked have such a rufous breast band. That's not the point. The OP asked "Is there any photo of kentish plover, that the bird has full breast band?": the answer seems to be "yes".
Do you have one in mind? Surely the majority of characters are wrong for lesser sand plover, which is the obvious candidate.
I don't think it's worth you objecting to my point, but, since you have... You also said 'it's just individual variation in a bird that doesn't have fully adult plumage' as a direct response to the OP's main point which was that his bird shows rufous - which implies that you felt your links in some way explained away the OP's problem. I pointed out that they don't (and thus the rufous colour is probably significant). Note that the OP subsequently (or simultaneously) made this same point in response to your comment. But it's really no big deal.
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Nope. The links and commentary were in response to the op's earlier question about whether Kentish plover can ever have a full breast band (as I said).
But your subsequent comment appeared to be making a different point, and that's what I was responding to (as I said). And the OP (#8) appeared to take it the same way as me.
Best if we just let this go. We can agree on all being puzzled by the rufous coloration.
Hmm. I don't think Javan plover (javanicus) is ever that rufous judging by photos (I'm not familiar with that species).
Chestnut-banded juvenile can have a white hind neck, the adults not so much. So perhaps this: adult breeding should have far less brownish around/below the the eye, but again immatures can be browner
Jawan plower photos from internet (if, so). Some similarities?
On the other hand; phaeomelanin synthesis (rufuous feathers) restricted by age, in plovers (?). If it is true, the age of the bird can be clarified…
On the other hand; phaeomelanin synthesis (rufuous feathers) restricted by age, in plovers (?). If it is true, the age of the bird can be clarified…
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I note that the colour balance in bb3 is off: it's red-biased. The brownish colour of the collar in b2 seems more representative.
As I said, I don't know Javan plover but it seems to be structurally different to your bird: more robust with a larger bill.
I took these footages with a nikon z9 camera and 800mm nikkor pf lens. Nikon raw files opened in photoshop and “auto color” and “auto contrast” applied. There may be some color burst, but rufuous cokor is there…
Yesterday I walked a few km on the beach and able to find the full collared bird among tens of kentish plovers. I took some photos in different lighting conditions but with same setup.
This time I noticed the beak of this bird is slightly different shape and measurements: beak is slightly thick at base, and front end is sligthly curved. Behavior was also a bit different (other kentish plovers were running, this one was flying when I approach..). Rufuous ear coverts are also barely noticable.
Yesterday I walked a few km on the beach and able to find the full collared bird among tens of kentish plovers. I took some photos in different lighting conditions but with same setup.
This time I noticed the beak of this bird is slightly different shape and measurements: beak is slightly thick at base, and front end is sligthly curved. Behavior was also a bit different (other kentish plovers were running, this one was flying when I approach..). Rufuous ear coverts are also barely noticable.
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MJB
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There is a note in the BOC Bulletin, Vol 84, page 105 of this species (subspecies not specified) being recorded in Israel. I'm checking up to find out if it is still an accepted record.
MJB
(v.84 (1964) - Bulletin of the British Ornithologists' Club - Biodiversity Heritage Library)
