Will there be NL >=56mm versions? (1 Viewer)

[DRodrigues]

As Sky Rover is releasing 12x56 and 15x56 versions of the Banner Cloud model, this means that the design is scalable, so my question...
The idea of getting a NL 12x52 was "growing on me" to replace my old Trinovid 10x50 uses - dusk counts.
As Swaro didn't released it, I "resigned" myself to the idea of getting a NL 10x52 - is a Swaro and has 52mm aperture, compared to the SRBC 12x50...
Now the SRBC 12x56 made me think again...
The SRBC 15x56 and the NL 14x52 don't interest me since I've seen the "IS light" with the Canon 18x50 that I use presently!...
I must add that I'm a wide AFOV freak...

 

[Ignatius]

Highly unlikely imvho that Swarovski, who have only just brought out the NL 14x52 and who (still) have the SLC 15x56 in production, will let someone like that Chinese company goad them.

 

[pbjosh]

As Sky Rover is releasing 12x56 and 15x56 versions of the Banner Cloud model, this means that the design is scalable, so my question...

I'm sure Swarovski will be glad to hear that their design is scalable now that a random company has made a random product...

 

[dries1]

Just think of the shipping cost for a 56mm glass back to china, could add up if you do not get a good sample. Especially with a vague warranty.

 

[Swedpat]

I don't think Swarovski will go bigger than 52mm with new binoculars. NL 52 is probably the perfect hit for large handheld binoculars, especially with the forehead rest.

 

[DRodrigues]

I'm sure Swarovski will be glad to hear that their design is scalable now that a random company has made a random product...

Not sure what is your definition of "random" that applies to one of the biggest (the biggest?) Chinese optics producers...
It certainly doesn't apply to the Banner Cloud model that "cloned" the NL series...
Yes, sometimes the "copies" have improved details compared to the original product and might be the case of the scalable design...

 

[DRodrigues]

Well since the NLs show 10 mm increments (32, 42, 52...), the "obvious" larger model would be 62mm. Within another thread, I wished for an IS NL 20x60. Now I'm correcting it to an IS NL 20x62...
Using a Canon 18x50 successfully, I wish for a bino with better glass (without any CA), better and more modern IS, >= NL AFOV and a bit more mags - it results on an IS NL 20x62...
Yes, I already looked through a Zeiss 20x60 and didn't liked it...

 

[pbjosh]

Not sure what is your definition of "random" that applies to one of the biggest (the biggest?) Chinese optics producers...
It certainly doesn't apply to the Banner Cloud model that "cloned" the NL series...
Yes, sometimes the "copies" have improved details compared to the original product and might be the case of the scalable design...

Whether the optic design of the NL is apt for a 56mm model is entirely independent of the Banner Cloud’s existence. It seems unlikely, to me, that a 56mm model would make sense given they have released a 52, but what do I know.

Additionally, if the Banner Cloud is a clone of the NL remains fairly well up for debate and depends on your definition of a clone I guess. I haven’t seen one, and it may be a great bin, but I am skeptical of using a term like clone.

 

[NDhunter]

As Sky Rover is releasing 12x56 and 15x56 versions of the Banner Cloud model, this means that the design is scalable, so my question...
The idea of getting a NL 12x52 was "growing on me" to replace my old Trinovid 10x50 uses - dusk counts.
As Swaro didn't released it, I "resigned" myself to the idea of getting a NL 10x52 - is a Swaro and has 52mm aperture, compared to the SRBC 12x50...
Now the SRBC 12x56 made me think again...
The SRBC 15x56 and the NL 14x52 don't interest me since I've seen the "IS light" with the Canon 18x50 that I use presently!...
I must add that I'm a wide AFOV freak...

I don't like the idea that SRBC is copying Swarovski, why in the world would Swarovski care what
they do. It doesn't matter.
Jerry

 

[Scott98]

Well, since Swaro is now tapping into China's optical industry to manufacture some of their binos I suppose they might consider contracting out some work to SRBC But is Sky Rover actually the manufacturer? I thought it was Kunming optical???? I don't really know.......

 

[quincy88]

I don't think Swarovski will make NLs in 56+. Or, if they do, it will be a while.
I kind of suspect that the market for 56+s will die off. Kind of like 7x42s or 8x50s. When manufacturers can make optics with 90%+ light transmission the need for big objective lenses is reduced. And, in general, the market seems to prefer smaller binoculars if those smaller binoculars can provide the desired performance.
I'm a low magnification, big objective fan so I hope I am wrong.

 

[Owlbarred]

Pardon my frankness. In my view, the curious idea of buying a SRBC instead of a Swarovski NL (or EL) because of a slightly
larger objective lens (Post 1) is frivolous and terribly misguided. That SRBC, in the minds of a few, has somehow become a Swaro "competitor' (or an optical equal) borders on the absurd. A 12x52 NL vs. a 12x56 SRBC is like Muhammed Ali in his prime vs. a sparring partner.

 

[Scott98]

I've never seen a person using larger than 42mm binoculars while birding, but the big ones are much more popular for hunting and astronomy. Astronomy binos generally start at 50mm and go up from there. Swaro's got that covered with the 56mm SLC, with very high transmission and big objectives.

Light-gathering increases exponentially with aperture, so small improvements in coatings don't do much compared to larger aperture. Will be interesting to see if the 56mm SLC continue onward. To me, they're better value than the NL's or EL's and with the bigger lenses I have no wish to replace them with 52mm NL's or 54mm Zeiss HT's. There aren't many high-end 56mm or larger binoculars, I'd hate to see Swaro discontinue the 56mm SLC. They seem like the ultimate, #1 hand-held astro bino to me. There are some bigger porros but they're generally too heavy to hand-hold.

I'm hoping to see Zeiss make a 50-56mm bino in the SF or SFL line. It looks like Conquest HDX is their new addition for the time being - they seem to issue something new every 2 years.

 

[quincy88]

I've never seen a person using larger than 42mm binoculars while birding, but the big ones are much more popular for hunting and astronomy. Astronomy binos generally start at 50mm and go up from there. Swaro's got that covered with the 56mm SLC, with very high transmission and big objectives.

Light-gathering increases exponentially with aperture, so small improvements in coatings don't do much compared to larger aperture. Will be interesting to see if the 56mm SLC continue onward. To me, they're better value than the NL's or EL's and with the bigger lenses I have no wish to replace them with 52mm NL's or 54mm Zeiss HT's. There aren't many high-end 56mm or larger binoculars, I'd hate to see Swaro discontinue the 56mm SLC. They seem like the ultimate, #1 hand-held astro bino to me. There are some bigger porros but they're generally too heavy to hand-hold.

I'm hoping to see Zeiss make a 50-56mm bino in the SF or SFL line. It looks like Conquest HDX is their new addition for the time being - they seem to issue something new every 2 years.

I bird with 8x50s and 15x56s all the time.

 

[agus_m]

Pardon my frankness. In my view, the curious idea of buying a SRBC instead of a Swarovski NL (or EL) because of a slightly
larger objective lens (Post 1) is frivolous and terribly misguided. That SRBC, in the minds of a few, has somehow become a Swaro "competitor' (or an optical equal) borders on the absurd. A 12x52 NL vs. a 12x56 SRBC is like Muhammed Ali in his prime vs. a sparring partner.

Have you actually watched through the bino? I understand that the build quality is not high, but from the pure optical perspective it is very good according to so many reviewers. So I wonder what faults in the view you have found?

 

[pbjosh]

Have you actually watched through the bino? I understand that the build quality is not high, but from the pure optical perspective it is very good according to so many reviewers. So I wonder what faults in the view you have found?

There is a long history of a new binocular from an Asian manufacturer being the new giant killer. They're usually pretty good binoculars, but they never seem to kill the giants

I'm happy to believe the Banner Cloud is a decent bin, but I highly doubt it has "cloned" the NL beyond general form factor and FOV specifications. I highly doubt that it will match or exceed the NL or SF or NV in performance. It might well represent better value, but that's not what is being claimed.

 

[Scott98]

I bird with 8x50s and 15x56s all the time.

So do I! I love the bigger glass, I can barely avoid ordering 52mm NL at this time - willpower is still holding but it's tenuous. You can see me out it the winter using my 10x56 SLC for seabird action all the time.

But I'm still waiting to run into someone else using the big glass! 32mm is more common around here.

 

[DRodrigues]

... A 12x52 NL vs. a 12x56 SRBC ...

The issue is that is no NL 12x52...

 

[DRodrigues]

I don't like the idea that SRBC is copying Swarovski, why in the world would Swarovski care what
they do. It doesn't matter.
Jerry

The European car producers also didn't cared about the Chinese Electric Vehicle (EVs cars), until these started to flood the European EV market...
I consider Swaro "very clever" commercially, so they "look well" to the market. It isn't a casualty that the largest NLs are 52 and not 50mm...

 

[DRodrigues]

... I wished for an IS NL 20x60. Now I'm correcting it to an IS NL 20x62...
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I would also be interested on a NL 12x62: - like that I would only use Swaro optics, together with my STX115...
Since I'm wishing, I also repeat the wish for a straight version of the BTX that would zoom...